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Guess that explains why he didn't campaign for Bret Schudler here in New Jersey but did for RINO Bob Franks.

A truly pro-life White House would have backed Simon to the hilt, and never lifted a little pinky to help Riordan.

The fact that this will be branded as "unrealistic" and "extreme" by many, including here on this thread, just shows how far so many "conservatives" are from being really pro-life.

Anyone stupid enough to believe that Simon won because of conservative support is nuts. Simon won because Gray Davis spent 10 million Democrat dollars to drive Riordians negatives sky high. Davis will now do to Simon what he did to Riordan. He obviuosly understood it to be easier to use Simon to defeat Riordan than himself. Davis also had to believe he could beat Simon much easier than he could Riordan.

It is so amusing. Simon has every one in his campaign contacting eveyone from Rush to Jerry Falwell to try to get them to help poor Mr. Simon take on Davis. It is amusing to hear people like Rush give him lip service. Rush put one of Simons groopies on to say, "Simon is going to win this fall." Rush replied, "I am not going to tell you that you are wrong." I could not believe that Rush said that. When someone tells you they are not going to tell you that you are wrong, they believe you are wrong. They just don't want to hurt your feelings. When I was learning to do talk shows I was taught to respond to such nonsense by saying,"You may very well be right" You were to leave unsaid, "You may very well be wrong." When a talk show host says "I'm not going to say you are wrong" he is conveying the message that while not saying it, he is certainly thinking it. Rush makes 200+ mill a year. He can aford to put down callers. But it likely went over most listeners heads.

What Rush was doing was puting on something to please a number fo viewers. If Rush felt Simon had a chance he would say that he felt Simon had a chance to win. His screener would be prepared with a caller to recite some anecdotal evidence that Rush was correct that Simon was going to win.

When a talk show host doesn't think a guy has a chance, he put a groopie on, and then lets her say it. Then the host politiely refuses to disagree with her. It had to be a woman. Becuase men disagree with men. But gentlemen do not openly disagree with ladies. Rush has to preserve his reputation for being right. But enough of doing talk shows.

The only reason Davis spent 10 milllion dolars trashing Riordin was he was pretty sure Riordin could beat him. That means the polls showed it. The polls and focus groups also showed that the Repubilcans in California could be manimpulated into nominating a Republican the research said could not beat davis. It could not have been a two or 5 point thing. It had to be twenty. Democrats don't spend 10 million dollars to get a couple of point advantage. 10 million spent said it was a slam dunk. Otherwise the 10 million would have been put to other use.

Davis had to feel he had just one chance. He had to get Simon nominated. So he spent 10 million and got it done. Now Simon is crying for everyone to come help him.

For 200 years it has worked like this... When a president ask for something and people do it, he helps them. Typically when he asks someone not to run, and they don't they get rewarded. When they don't follow his advice he does not help them. In the past some presidents hurt such people and their voters. LBJ comes to mind. He moved a military base and put lots of people out of work because they nominated a guy LBJ did not want to be nominated.

At this stage it is up to Simon to figure out a way to win. He proved he could win with lots of help from Davis. Now he has to prove he can win with Davis against him. If he can't no one out side his base in California will lift a finger for him.

That is just the way the game is played. Simon grew up in politics. He knows the rules. He can't plead ignorance. Most likely his political career will be over this fall. Davis will be elected and no president or governor in the future will even answer his phone calls. Prhaps he can get a show in MSNBC.

Politics in the United States has been a team sport for over 200 years. To get to the top one has to support and follow the directions of the guys who are currently at the top. Fail to do that and you have no where to go in politics. No one will in the party will use you or help you again. Loyalty ain't everything. It is the only thing. No one wins at the polls with out it.

Simon must believe that his 6 months of fame in California will be worth it. He certainly knows the score.

Guess that explains why he didn't campaign for Bret Schudler here in New Jersey but did for RINO Bob Franks

Huh? Bush stayed out of the NJ primary like he stayed out of the Calif. primary. If Bush really wanted Riordan he would have publicly campaigned for him.

BTW, just because "Businessweek" has the word "Business" in their title doesn't mean they are conservative. Businessweek was very supportive of Clinton. As for the $300,000 that was raised, they don't mention if it was for Riordan or the party.

BTW, the Schundler campaign still leaves a lot of bitterness on FR, but Bret isn't entirely blameless. I have seen on replies on FR that Bret laid back and dissed the grassroots for two months Also his opponent McGreevey had been running for 4 years and the NJ RINO establishment(especilally DeFrancesco not Franks) were the ones who stabbed Bret in the back.

Next up, the WH backs Alexander, and tells Bryant to keeps his little paws away, it's already called for.

Bump FYI. Some interesting discussion, too.

GO, SIMON!

Dan

Guess that explains why he didn't campaign for Bret Schudler here in New Jersey but did for RINO Bob Franks.

Hmmmm.....

Question for ya: Is Bob "married" to Barney?

Conservatives say Bush is too willing to swap principle for political expediency. And they worry that his compassionate conservative clones may lose in November if the party's base stays home... Despite Riordan's loss, Bush is sticking to his game plan. In the race to succeed right-wing icon Senator Jesse Helms (R-N.C.), Bush and Rove cleared the field so that moderate conservative Elizabeth H. Dole could avoid a bloody primary against a hard-liner... Sure, Bush's strategy doesn't sit well with the Right. But with a 97% approval rating among conservatives, Bush is betting he can retain their loyalty while putting centrists on the ballot who can get elected--and owe him big-time.

There is nothing centrist at all about Richard Riorden. The man is an ultraliberal partial birth abortion supporting scumbag. I definitely would have encouraged all my CA Republican friends to vote against Richard Riorden had he won the GOP primary. Even Davis is better than a liberal RINO like Riorden and probably more conservative as well. If you have to give up all of your conservative principles to elect a liberal RINO who supports the radical gay-feminist-baby killer agenda, then it is not worth the price to win. However, this is generally a false choice to begin with as was demonstrated by conservative Simon's rout of liberal Riorden. The liberal Republicans always try to frame the debate so we conservatives are propagandized into thinking that it is a choice between an "electable" liberal RINO totally lacking in moral principles or a moderate conservative or conservative who they present as a guaranteed loser in the general election. Well, we all saw just how electable Richard Riorden was in California. He couldn't even beat a political neophyte in the GOP primary. The lesson here is that a lot of GOP moderates lose in races where conservatives could have won.

It looks like Bush learned absolutely nothing about the massive electoral defeat of his handpicked candidate for CA governor. He is going to keep on sticking it to his conservative base and supporting the liberal RINO candidates like Liddy Dole against their conservative opponents. E-Dole does not even come close to being a moderate conservative. She is anti-gun and pro-choice--moderate maybe, but definitely does not possess even a shred of conservatism.