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Goodbye America-The MX Missle,Rumsfeld,Russia,and China. What Are We Doing?
Joel Skousen/Various/Opinion | 03--12-02 | Joel Skousen and My Favorite Headache

Posted on 03/12/2002 9:36:06 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

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Well this has been nice. Earth,Life,America. We have been so gutted I am at a loss for words. The MX was truly our saviour in the Nuclear arsenal.No tin-foil. No black helicopters. This is how it is.Now try and sleep well.
1 posted on 03/12/2002 9:36:06 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: wallace212
Ping
2 posted on 03/12/2002 9:38:32 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
Perhaps they intend to "dismantle" them over Bejing?

we can hope...

3 posted on 03/12/2002 9:42:05 AM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: jdogbearhunter
Ping
4 posted on 03/12/2002 9:44:08 AM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: Jeff Head
.Ping.

Just finished Dragon's Head by the way. Loved it. Good thing I don't have a dog to beat.

5 posted on 03/12/2002 9:45:12 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: phasma proeliator
This goes beyond hope...unless someone cares to show me evidence otherwise...we are completely in some seriously deep crap.
6 posted on 03/12/2002 9:47:40 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: phasma proeliator
Breaking down the MX is the biggest mistake of our current time. Period.You really have to wonder what is our government thinking? We have these press leaks about nukes being pointed to 7 countries right now. They are denying it. The selling out of America and the damage that cannot be repaired by the years and years of selling us out by Clinton. How can this not scare anyone on here? A coalition of China and Russia would eliminate America in an hour.1 HOUR.

There is one thing to think safe and that our government is protecting us but it is another to see the reality that is going on in Russia. They never were technically part of the ABM.They have always continued to build up for a war against the U.S.. We have only so many planes and bombs and bullets to defend. Which is not enough. Nowhere near enough. The spending on useless things needs to stop and the cutting of what we need is doing nothing but cutting our own throats.

7 posted on 03/12/2002 9:54:17 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
IMHO China is the root of many evil. Taking them down would be like taking the head off the beast.

How many "Rogue" countries - are using military equipment supplied by China? or Russia.

Again - IMHO - Russia can be manipulated and brought to "our side" without military action. The Chinese, however, are too big - with too large of an economy and THEY are manipulating US.

overwhelming, decisive force - and complete destruction.

8 posted on 03/12/2002 9:57:05 AM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: My Favorite Headache
bump to facts. Clinton is a traitor.
9 posted on 03/12/2002 10:03:07 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: My Favorite Headache
Let's see, how long have you been in the mother ship?

This reads like a page out of the "Rockefeller, Internationalist" handbook.

I'm not going to refute every nonsensical claim here, especially the lunacy that somehow American leaders are deliberately disarming to give the Russkies a "win."

It is enought to point out that Reagan KNEW that the MX was obsolete when he deployed it in the early 1980s, but he did so both to fulfill a campaign promise and to just simply "add numbers." If you begin with that starting point, the rest of this article is pure nonsense. Fixed, land-based missiles in the 1980s were obsolete in that they could be easily targeted, unlike sea-based assets. The Trident II missile, with GPS, was FAR superior in Hard-Target-Kill-Capacity than the MX, and now, with better targeting, is even more so. Moreover, as we have seen, cruise missiles and RPGs are becoming far more effective than any fixed missile ever was.

Now go off to the mothership. They need you.

10 posted on 03/12/2002 10:09:19 AM PST by LS
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To: Wallace212
Looks like we have someone who is thinking tin-foil. Care to comment?
12 posted on 03/12/2002 10:45:28 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: LS
These pin point strikes are one thing. No doubt our technology is great for that. Our air defense is better than the technology Russia has. But what can you say about them building civil defenses and having actual dug out bunkers to save at least 70% of their population? What does America have to compare to that?

A true sign is why are they slaughtering their own livestock in massive numbers? Perhaps for stocking?

13 posted on 03/12/2002 10:49:09 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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China, Russia Plot Space Attacks

NewsMax.com/Washington Times

Thursday, Feb. 8, 2001

The Pentagon is warning that reliance on space technology is America's Achilles heel, which Communist China and Russia are intent on exploiting and attacking. According to the Thursday issue of the Washington Times:

That was the scenario laid out by Vice Adm. Thomas R. Wilson, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and George J. Tenet, director of the Central Intelligence Agency, at the intelligence community's annual world threat briefing Wednesday.

This was the first time American intelligence officials have discussed in public the space-warfare threat facing the United States.

Because the U.S. military relies so heavily on satellites and space-based sensors for communications, intelligence, reconnaissance and command-and-control of forces all over the world, the three-star admiral said, "future adversaries will be able [by 2015] to employ a wide variety of means to disrupt, degrade or defeat portions of the U.S. space support system.

"China and Russia have across-the-board programs under way, and other smaller states and non-state entities are pursuing more limited – though potentially effective – approaches."

Trent concurred, adding that "our adversaries well understand U.S. strategic dependence on access to space.

"Operations to disrupt, degrade, or defeat U.S. space assets will be attractive options for those seeking to counter U.S. strategic military superiority."

U.S. experts have reported that China is already developing ground-based laser weapons and electronic-pulse weapons capable of blinding or destroying American satellites.

Both Wilson and Trent told members of the Senate Intelligence Committee they cannot verify that China is keeping its word given to the United States that it would curb sales of its missiles and weapons of mass destruction to other counties.

Seated between Wilson and the State Department's intelligence chief, Thomas Fingar, the CIA director laid out a sobering assessment of what confronts the United States from abroad:

• Saudi fugitive Osama bin Laden and his terrorists pose "the most immediate and serious threat" of attacks on Americans on American soil.

• Not only is the Islamist Taleban regime in Afghanistan providing a safe haven to bin Laden, but also it is engaging in drug trafficking.

• The threat from long-range ballistic nuclear missiles is confined no longer just to Russia and China but now includes North Korea, Iran and possibly Iraq.

• Risk of "full-scale war" between India and Pakistan over the Kashmir region, now "unacceptably high," could lead to a regional nuclear conflict.

• Under President Vladimir Putin, Russia is reverting in several ways to a Soviet-style government, undermining democracy.

14 posted on 03/12/2002 10:59:57 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
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15 posted on 03/12/2002 11:01:15 AM PST by ex-Texan
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To: TLBSHOW
Russia Steps up Arms Sales

Col. Stanislav Lunev

Wednesday, May 24, 2000

Russia delivered the first shipment of 24 supersonic cruise missiles to Red China from a new Russian-built missile destroyer in recent weeks, and more will be sent later this year. These missiles, known as Sunburns or SSN-22s, will be deployed on China’s new Sovremenny-class guided missile destroyer, and originally were designed for use against the U.S. warships, especially aircraft carriers.

These anti-ship missiles could be used against Americans, said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., quoted in The Washington Times May 9. "The Chinese communists now have the ability to sink American aircraft carriers and kill thousands of Americans,” Rohrabacher said.

It is difficult to disagree with the view of the congressman. The danger from Russian missile shipments to Red China is already present and real. But 24 Sunburns is a drop in the river of Russian arms sales abroad, first of all to China and other countries, which traditionally are not friendly to America.

As the Russian press reported, the Russian Federation state-owned weapons company Rosvooruzhenie (Russian Armaments) achieved a major jump in export last year with $2.8 billion in sales to 49 nations. This corporation, which handles all of Russia’s arms exports, said that 1999 sales represented an increase of $800 million over the year before.

In recent years, Russia has been the world’s fourth-largest arms exporter after the United States, Great Britain and France. Rosvooruzhenie officials said that improved sales reflected improved marketing coordination with arms manufacturers. The company opened 14 branch offices across the country to improve coordination and plans to add two more offices soon. Recently Rosvooruzhenie set up its own joint venture, dubbed Krondshtadt, to export military software technologies.

This year Rosvooruzhenie, the main state military export company, expects total Russian foreign sales of more than $3 billion. This corporation reports orders worth $9 billion through 2005. About half of these are aircraft and helicopters, but there has been increasing interest abroad in Russia’s naval-defense and air-defense systems.

During the last 10 years Russia’s military output has declined compared with the Soviet era, when about 80 percent of the country’s industrial production was military. This reduction of weapons sales abroad happened because Russia stopped producing arms for former Warsaw Pact members and other Cold War allies and had to enter the competitive international weapons market.

Boosting the present revival, a weak ruble makes Russian arms relatively cheap, and Russia’s main weapons customers - Red China, India, Algeria and Greece - are looking at increasing business. Their main points of interest are combat aircraft such as different modifications of SU (Sukhoi) and MiG fighters, helicopters, up-to-date air defense complexes such as the well-known S-300, and missiles, including supersonic cruise missiles.

According to the Russian press, foreign customers are not only looking for the aviation hardware but also pursuing technological military cooperation. Over the past several years, Rosvooruzhenie has signed such collaboration deals with Bangladesh, Malaysia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Vietnam and Ukraine.

Another market that appears to be expanding for Russia is Libya. According to Rosvooruzhenie’s reports, negotiations with Libya are under way to repair and modernize old Soviet military hardware operating by the Libyan military. Russia is trying to promote such maintenance and repair work. Specialists believe that the volume of this kind of work in foreign countries totaled more than $425 million during 2000. Major additional clients in this area are China, India and Ethiopia, former Soviet proxy in the Cold War.

One more potential customer is Syria, which wants to replace the old Soviet military equipment that makes up the bulk of its air force fleet. The United States has voiced stiff objections to Russia selling to what it sees as a rogue state, but Russian politicians and military leaders believe that Moscow will dismiss American opposition.

Most of the weapons being sold were developed in the former U.S.S.R. during the 1980s. To further boost foreign sales and modernize the outdated equipment of the Russian army, military authorities have set aside an undisclosed sum for research and development. According to the Russian press, only 30 percent of military hardware in use by the Russian Federation’s army is of the latest technology.

The presidential degree signed by then President Boris Yeltsin last September that simplifies obtaining arms export authorization has stimulated arms sales. New Russian President Vladimir Putin is following his predecessor’s example.

Last month Putin signed a special degree merging two leading Russian arms mediators into one company. As Moscow Times reported, according this degree the Russian president has ordered the merger of Promexport (Industrial Export) and Rossiiskiye Technologii (Russian Technologies).

According to the Russian press, Promexport can sell millions of dollars worth of military technologies annually and help draw much-needed foreign investment into the development of new arms, which Russia cannot find on its own. This corporation has been successfully exporting weaponry, spare parts and ammunition decommissioned by the Russian Federation’s Ministry of Defense, but until this merger it could not export new technology.

Promexport has a $900 million order portfolio for 2000. The enterprise sold $200 million worth of arms in 1998 and $150 million in 1999. Promexport is the second-largest arms exporter after Moscow-based Rosvooruzhenie, which sold $2.8 billion in 1999. Promexport chief Sergei Chemezov is the new Russian president’s protege, with then-Prime Minister Putin having lobbied last year then-President Yeltsin for Chemezov’s appointment to the director general post.

Rossiiskiye Tekhnologii has been trying to export weapons technologies since 1997, when Yeltsin signed a decree that at once transformed Promexport from a foreign-trade association into a state enterprise and established Rossiiskiye Tekhnologii. Working on its own, Rossiiskiye Tekhnologii managed to export just $20 million worth of technologies in 1999.

Russian specialists are expecting that reforms of the arms-export system can continue, with Promexport director general Chemezov lobbying to have his company and Rosvooruzhenie united into a single holding to end their rivalry. According to rumors in Moscow, soon the merged pair of Promexport and Rossiiskiye Tekhnologii will be brought under control of Rosvooruzhenie, and director general Alexei Ogarev could be replaced by somebody from Putin’s inner circle.

No one would question the right of a new president to choose his own team of advisers and agency chiefs. But it remains to be seen if this reshuffling is anything more than maintaining the tradition of the Yeltsin years, in which each change in prime ministers was followed by a new director general at Rosvooruzhenie.

Putin so far has no real economic or social programs, but he is active in his bloody war in Chechnya and, like his predecessor, in internal bureaucratic intrigues and international contacts. He depends on the military, military-industrial complex and special services, and there is no doubt Putin will pay close attention to these institutions, which brought him to the power.

We can expect Putin will approve new arms sales to foreign countries, independently from their political orientation. Because sales of weapons abroad will bring him sufficient amount of cash, he could pay back his supporters.

Putin does understand that the military industry is the only sector of his nation’s economy that has the potential to be an engine of new technologies that could pull other parts of the economy out of the doldrums and into the world marketplace. And he doesn’t care that new weapons will go to the nations traditionally unfriendly to the United States, including North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria and other rogue states, which are knocking on Russia’s door looking for sophisticated arms.

The United States, whose politicians previously demonstrated their concern about reports of abuses against civilians by Russian troops in Chechnya, may now have cause for alarm over another byproduct of the war in Chechnya, over the revival of Russia’s weapons industry and its arms sales abroad.

16 posted on 03/12/2002 11:03:09 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache, sonofliberty2, OKCSubmariner, scholastic
Great article, but I can assure you that Rumsfeld is not to blame. He is one of the cooler heads in the Bush Administration and if he had it his way, the US would not uniterally disarming itself of its strategic nuclear deterrent at all. The Bush unilateral nuclear disarmament proposal to disarm us from 7200 to 1700 strategic nukes was done over his protest and over the protest of the Pentagon's top generals. Then a classified Nuclear Posture Review was issued to support the President's political decision which was done without consideration of our needs of deterring nuclear attack from Russia, which Bush has reclassified from being a potential enemy to a likely ally.

The full implementation of Bush's directive to unilaterally disarm the United States of its strategic nuclear deterrent which will have the effect of eliminating the US as a global superpower and thus increasing the relative power of the Sino-Russian alliance. It will also go far to make the world safe for nuclear war/nuclear blackmail by vastly increasing the current Russian superiority in strategic offensive and defensive nuclear might over the United States. All because Bush and his globalist anti-nuke advisors believe that Russia and Communist China can be trusted strategic partners who will support the US efforts to contain the very rogue states that they have armed to the teeth with ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction against us. The US strategic nuclear deterrent has been the greatest guarantor of global peace in the last five and a half decades. Once it is gone, there is nothing to stop the Sino-Russian alliance from dominating the world.

As I have repeatedly stated, there are two opposing visions of the New World Order. One is a world effectively ruled by the Sino-Russian axis of nations. The other is a socialistic one-world government dominated by the Western powers now being promoted by the CFR member-infested Bush Administration. Ultimately, the side whose vision dominates will be the one that induces the other to unilaterally disarm in the face of increasing national security threats as the West is now happily doing. At this point, the future of the world is a grim one as the Sino-Russian alliance grows stronger and the US-led Western alliance grows militarily weaker and more decadent. Under the leadership of President George W. Bush, the correlation of forces is shifting against the United States and in favor of our enemies. Of course, you wouldn't know it by the President's artificially high poll numbers stemming from his short term military victory in Afghanistan.

Of course, there is one other outcome and that is a triumph for the cause of freedom, national independence and sovereignity which can be made possible if concerned Americans unite to defeat globalist politicians and elect conservative visionaries who will put America's interests first for a change and keep her defenses strong. One can only pray that freedom triumphs in the end, but for now freedom is on the wane and America is on a path which will lead it to follow the Roman Empire into historical oblivion. Only millions of concerned politically active American patriots united in their determination to make this God's country once again will be able to make the difference.
17 posted on 03/12/2002 11:06:27 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: ex-Texan
Bump
18 posted on 03/12/2002 11:09:23 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: rightwing2
Awesome...just awesome.
19 posted on 03/12/2002 11:12:40 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: ex-Texan
My post was not meant to push the panic button .....

Just illustrating what is possible with even a small hydrogen bomb going off (E.g. A 1 megaton bomb = 8 x the power the 1945 Hiroshima atomic bomb). Those small, portable 'suitcase nukes' everybody is talking about might have about 30% of the power of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

20 posted on 03/12/2002 11:14:15 AM PST by ex-Texan
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