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To: Mr. Toobeley
If you accept that the God of the Old Testament still exists (and I know few people do), and if you accept that what he says doesn't change with the times, could it be that Israel might actually be "defiling" the land as they defiled it back in King Solomon's day?

Traditional Judaism would reject that argument for a number of reasons. First of all, the events of the return of so many Jews to the land might be looked as "the footsteps of Moshiach". These are part and parcel of those events that herald the coming of Moshiach in Jewish prophesy.

Another reason, but not quite as easily defended is that the temple has not yet been rebuilt and therefore not capable of being defiled. Consequently all who live on the land are impure.

In any event, the problems associated with a secular Jewish state were long feared by traditional Jews as a reason not to support Zionism or the modern government of Israel. This does not take away from the obligation to support and defend Jews in the holy land. This is how observant Jews who do not support a secular government, fully support all measures of defense of the Jews living on the land.

11 posted on 03/19/2002 10:28:29 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
Thank you, Nachum. Now, I think I must clarify my previous post: I'm not suggesting that the Jewish homeland shouldn't be defended or supported by those who wish the Jewish people well; nor do I understand the matter of the temple that you bring up being at all pertinent, since Leviticus isn't talking about the temple, here, but about the land and its demands. Don't forget that the nations who lived on the same land before Israelites arrived were vomited out of that land because they engaged in certain practices that God called abominations. So, here's the question: are their practices officially permitted in modern Israel today that Leviticus clearly calls abominations? If there are, then, logically, such practices should be officially banned for the health and security of the nation--if you believe in Leviticus. Why do I say this? Because that's what Leviticus seems to be saying. Now, I take it that the "footsteps of Moshiach," that you mention probably is a reference to what Christians would call the coming of the Messiah--correct? Well, if we can agree of this, the Bible says he will certainly come . . . on The Day of the Lord--but that won't be a good time for those dwelling in Israel, according to the New Testament.
12 posted on 03/19/2002 11:53:43 AM PST by Mr. Toobeley
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