[forester]

Bummer about the attorney. What it boiled down to in regards to the ag folks gathering their own data was the nagging doubt that this data could not be protected from discovery by the agencies or enviros. The possibilty that this data could be used against them effectively prevents the implimentation of your ideas. This is a loose end that needs to be tied up...to the extent that it can be easily explained to regular folks to the point that they feel comfortable with the concept. In our local situation, my explanations did not pass this test.

[Carry_Okie]

What it boiled down to in regards to the ag folks gathering their own data was the nagging doubt that this data could not be protected from discovery by the agencies or enviros.

I agree with you in one respect: If the RCD or the State funded the work, then ABSOLUTELY it will be used against the farmers. If it is done under the aegis of a private business, funded by private dollars, the situation is different. Remember, you need only to do enough to kick them off the turf. Then go after their cash flow. The rest of this should be discussed in private.

Remember: A lot of these folks have a hidden interest in the existing system. They don't think that they can survive without it. What I am suggesting is akin to a bunch of welfare cases creating a private welfare distribution business and suing the State to dispense the services albeit with independent verification. Another factor against us is that they may think that Simon will bail them out and they therefore prefer to wait and see. Simon will have the same problems with the agencies that Bush does, especially considering the relationships the Greenies have with judges in Federill Court, as we see in Klamath Falls.