And yet you espouse its virtues in post #7, "To be quite honest, if people aren't smart enough or enlightened enough to do the right thing, they need to be "bull whipped" into doing it." You must discriminate between those who 'aren't smart enough' and those who are. Then, in post #21, ("Yes, you're right I do belong to a different class than you"), you make a discrimination between yourself and RLK. Are you violating his rights with your discrimination?
One other exception I must take from your posts... you wrote, "Forcing public/state schools to accept all citizens is not a violation of your right to be a racist. And, it is not a criminal act. Also, as I said before, if one group did not have a similar chance at the American Dream, then it was not really a free society, was it? (not a rhetorical question)." How can you say that we are a free society, when you are "FORCING" acceptance? The real problem is that the state mandates education at all (the bull-whipping "for our own good" that you hold so dearly.... yet another aspect of 'free society'?). Free citizens do not owe the state ANY level of educational knowledge or ability. The Constitution does not say anything about mandating education... but the Tenth Plank of the Communist Manifesto surely does. Do you not see any glaring contradictions there? You start from the false premise that 'free citizens' must be bull-whipped into giving up their children to the state for one-third of their waking hours... then you state that (since they are forced into these schools) they cannot freely choose whom their children might associate with (or not) within that system. Do you seriously believe that you are espousing Freedom with these statements?!?
(Of course, desegregation was a decent solution for an explicit wrong (separate and unequal), but that does not mean that it made the system a workable part of a free society. The system itself was already fatally flawed when it was changed to the Communist model of compulsory, state-provided, and 'free' education.)
What's the matter?
Can't you tell the moral difference (for example) between a murderer and an emergency-room doctor?
Then, in post #21, ("Yes, you're right I do belong to a different class than you"), you make a discrimination between yourself and RLK. Are you violating his rights with your discrimination?
Only if I ask my congressman to sponsor a bill that would squash RLK's rights just because I don't like him. (Thank you for helping make my point).
One other exception I must take from your posts...
How can you say that we are a free society, when you are "FORCING" acceptance?
First of all, I was talking specifically about the 50's.
Secondly, I never said that society in the 50's was free.
The real problem is that the state mandates education at all (the bull-whipping "for our own good" that you hold so dearly.... yet another aspect of 'free society'?).
You have a problem with having an educated population?
I bet you want hispanic immigrants to be able to read and write in English, even if they can in Spanish.
Free citizens do not owe the state ANY level of educational knowledge or ability. The Constitution does not say anything about mandating education...
Not explicitly, no.
But how're you gonna make sense of your yearly tax forms, apply for credit cards or loans, or vote if you can't make out what the ballot says?
but the Tenth Plank of the Communist Manifesto surely does.
Unsuprisingly, you seem to be more familiar with totalitarian ideology than I am, so I'll take your word for it.
Do you not see any glaring contradictions there? You start from the false premise that 'free citizens' must be bull-whipped
I said nothing about 'free citizens'.
I was talking about stupid rednecks, with backward ideas (see my Murderer/ER Doctor analogy above).
into giving up their children to the state for one-third of their waking hours...
I believe home-schooling is allowed.
then you state that (since they are forced into these schools) they cannot freely choose whom their children might associate with (or not) within that system.
You're saying that because they're being forced into desegregated schools, they are (as a side-effect) being forced to associate with people they don't want to associate with.
I can't argue with that.
Do you seriously believe that you are espousing Freedom with these statements?!?
Do you seriously believe that you are espousing Freedom by supporting legally-enforced segregation?
My sympathies.
The last 40 or so years must have been a real b!+c# for you.
(Of course, desegregation was a decent solution for an explicit wrong (separate and unequal), but that does not mean that it made the system a workable part of a free society. The system itself was already fatally flawed when it was changed to the Communist model of compulsory, state-provided, and 'free' education.)
Free education, was the quickest and practical way to obtain a largely literate, and educated population.
It has nothing to do with communism or any particular ideology.
You think we live in heaven, where everybody holds hands and loves one another?
If the "free citizens" (as you like to call them) could barely read or write, then they wouldn't be free for long, cuz the Russians or Chinese (who by the way do and did have mandatory education) would have developed better technology and would have beaten everybody else over the head.
That's an argument you can't argue with !