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Joseph s Tomb Booby-Trapped by PLO Forces
Arutz Sheva ^ | 4-4-02

Posted on 04/04/2002 8:52:42 AM PST by SJackson

Large quantities of explosives have been placed in the Joseph’s Tomb complex in Shechem, preventing our forces now operating in Shechem from entering the holy site and liberating it once again from the hands of PLO militia forces.

The IDF abandoned the holy site on 7 October 2000, in the beginning of the Oslo War, after soldier Madhat Yousef was permitted to bleed to death over a period of hours as the government negotiated with the PA to permit forces to extricate the army force and the gravely wounded soldier.

Since that time, PA residents who immediately disgraced the sanctity of the location, actively working to burn the Torah scrolls and holy books, seeking to eradicate any trace of its Jewish roots, overran the holy site. Israel has remained paralyzed and has not taken any steps to regain control of the site which is to remain under Israel sovereignty only as per the Oslo Agreements.


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It's probably not Joseph's Tomb anyway, actually an ancient, revered Moslim shrine. After all, no Torah's here, don't know what those ashes could be.
1 posted on 04/04/2002 8:52:42 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Joseph s Tomb Bobby-Trapped by PLO Forces

You suppose they used BOBBY pins? (sorry, couldn't resist)

2 posted on 04/04/2002 8:58:19 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: SJackson; veronica; dennisw; nachum; sabramerican; oldeconomybuyer; american in israel
Large quantities of explosives have been placed in the Joseph’s Tomb complex in Shechem

Israel's public relations efforts in the past and present have been shamefully inadequate. What do you think the Moslems would do if Israel desecrated the gravesite of some revered Moslem figure? They'd go bananas, they'd spread it all over the world press, etc. And you know what? They would be right. So where in the Hell is the Israeli Foreign Ministry on this? Maybe the people in power don't give a damn about religious sites, but this is a very real and powerful tool to use again the PLO terrorists. It helps to show what kind of people they are. In combination with the hostage taking/breakin at the Church of the Nativity, the Pallies could be conclusively shown to be what they are - intolerant of other religions. This would be a huge PR breakthrough.

Besides, this is the desecration of a holy site and someone's grave - why isn't it an issue with which the Israeli government should be concerned?

Wake up, guys! Call the Pallies on this one!

3 posted on 04/04/2002 9:15:40 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr
I don't know about the explosives, but the desecration has been ongoing. I don't understand why Israel hasn't stopped it, I don't understand why the press ignores it.
4 posted on 04/04/2002 9:17:41 AM PST by SJackson
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To: Ancesthntr
Public relations is worthless with a public that doesn't care. Except for the proportionly infinitesimal amount of Gentiles who would care that Jewish holy sites are destroyed, the Israelis would be pissing against the wind.
5 posted on 04/04/2002 9:19:57 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Ancesthntr, veronica
I agree 100%. Take a good look if you happen to see Mark Regev on TV. He is very good spokesman who is head of press office at the Israeli embassy in Wash DC.

Hey V! Have you seen Regev?

6 posted on 04/04/2002 9:20:19 AM PST by dennisw
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To: SJackson
Joseph s Tomb Bobby-Trapped by PLO Forces

Oh no! Bobby Fischer is going to trap them in a knight sacrifice ploy!

7 posted on 04/04/2002 9:21:36 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: SJackson

Bobby trappings.

8 posted on 04/04/2002 9:23:23 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Ancesthntr
Part of the problem is that the world's press is slanted against Israel. Making it an uphill fight to get anything heard.

Israel should be pounding the table day and night about the 800,000 Jews who were evicted from the Arab nations after 1948. Would the world media listen? Who knows. They are tilted towards the 3rd world whether Muslim or non-Mulsim. White people are always cast as the guilty party. 3rd worlders can do no wrong!

9 posted on 04/04/2002 9:25:01 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Sabramerican
PLENTY of Gentiles would care if Jewish holy sites were desecrated. We revere the Hebrew leaders and prophets, too.
10 posted on 04/04/2002 9:26:45 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
Really. Surprise. Joseph's tomb was desecrated. It is now a mosque.

Remember the UN resolutions? The President commenting?

Neither do I.

11 posted on 04/04/2002 9:28:47 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
And it is an outrage, as is that piece of junk sitting atop the Temple Mount. But part of the problem is that we rarely hear of these things. Even I didn't know they had planted a mosque on top of Joseph's tomb until you told me...
12 posted on 04/04/2002 9:31:07 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: dennisw
As you well know, Israel now has solid proof that Arafat is the chief terrorist.

In a sane world, that would be the only news today and the President would only refer to him as he does to Bin Ladin- Dead or Alive.

But in a sane world, we would not be blindly and irrationally and incessantly hated.

13 posted on 04/04/2002 9:32:20 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: cicero's_son;Thinkin' Gal
It's been mentioned and shown on FR maybe hundreds of times. Thinkin' Gal may have the pictures.
14 posted on 04/04/2002 9:34:13 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
Israel is a nation that dwells alone. I know you know this.
15 posted on 04/04/2002 9:34:41 AM PST by dennisw
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To: r9etb
oh no ... not Bobby-Trapped!
16 posted on 04/04/2002 9:46:51 AM PST by Bobby777
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To: cicero's_son
PA planning mosque at Joseph's Tomb

IDF Action at Josehp’s Tomb

Israeli outrage over site ransacking

The official Muslim/neo nazi explanation is that it was always a mosque, the burial place of an Arab sheikh, take over by Zionist’s who fabricated all this Joseph nonsense.

17 posted on 04/04/2002 10:12:29 AM PST by SJackson
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To: cicero's_son; Sabramerican
October 2000

Palestinians destroy evacuated Joseph's Tomb

And these are the people we Christians should trust with our Holy Sites in Jerusalem and elsewhere ? Wake up World !

By Margot Dudkevitch

NABLUS (October 8) - Scores of Palestinians stormed into the Joseph's Tomb compound in Nablus and destroyed the site yesterday, after IDF and Border Police units evacuated the shrine early in the morning.

Palestinians shot at the convoy of troops as it left the city, moderately wounding one border policeman, who was taken to the hospital.
Joseph's Tomb trashed
"I have never seen such a serious situation before," Border Police Supt. Yusef Maclada, the site's deputy commander, told The Jerusalem Post. "We immediately packed all the religious articles and the operational equipment and other belongings and left," he said.

Clashes between Palestinians and Israeli security forces continued to spread and escalate in Israel and the territories last night.

In the Gaza Strip, at least two Israeli Airport Authority workers were wounded after shots were fired at a bus headed from the Rafiah Terminal for Kerem Shalom late last night, the IDF said. Several other people were lightly wounded.

A Palestinian was killed by gunfire near Biddiya in the West Bank, Israel Radio reported. Palestinians said a settler had shot at his car and fled.

Two IDF tanks were stationed near the Jerusalem neighborhood of Gilo, guarding the Gush Etzion tunnel road, after Palestinians fired light weapons at the neighborhood from the direction of Beit Jalla. Soldiers returned fire. No injuries were reported.

The IDF also deployed tanks at Psagot and the Ayosh junction, and called on Palestinian civilians living nearby to evacuate homes used by Palestinians to shoot at the settlement.

"In the past two days there has been an escalation in shooting at Psagot and IDF troops. We will respond harshly, accurately and determinedly. We call on all Palestinians living near Psagot who may be caught in the line of fire and have nothing to do with the gun battles - families with children - to leave their homes until the battle is over,"said Col. Gal Hirsch, commander of the Binyamin region.

In Hebron, Palestinians fired at the Avraham Avinu and Beit Hadassah neighborhoods. IDF troops returned fire. According to reports, they also fired at a group of 10 armed Hamas activists who tried to approach Jewish homes. There were no reports of casualties.

Soldiers returned fire at Rachel's Tomb outside Bethlehem, and near Tulkarm and Ariel. Firebombs and stones were thrown at security forces at the Ayosh junction, in Tulkarm, Hebron, and at the Highway 250 intersection on the Jenin bypass road.

Gunfire exchanges were also reported at the Netzarim junction in Gaza, and firebombs were thrown at the district coordinating office and at the Erez checkpost.

The European Union yesterday issued a severe condemnation of the sacking of Joseph's Tomb, and expressed "deep concern" over continuing confrontations.

A statement by the 15-member EU said the body "condemns without reserve" yesterday's events at the site, in which Palestinian gunmen and civilians stormed the tomb and the adjacent Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva, ripping apart prayer books and commentaries and setting fire to parts of the compound in a show of triumph, just hours after the IDF evacuated the site.

Prime Minister Ehud Barak had ordered the evacuation from the enclave - the first time Israel relinquished territory as a direct result of Palestinian violence.

The EU "reiterates its rejection of all forms of provocation and renews its call for the absolute respect of holy sites for believers of all religions," the statement said.

In response to the pullout from Joseph's Tomb, scores of settlers last night blocked intersections throughout Judea and Samaria. Police and settlers scuffled at the Tapuah junction after settlers blocked the road and prevented Palestinian vehicles from passing. Other areas where protests took place were the new Yitzhar intersection, Ma'aleh Ephraim, Highway 55 near Kedumim, and Givat Ze'ev. Judea and Samaria Police spokesman Rafi Yafe said police were deployed throughout the area to prevent confrontations with Palestinians.

Police and IDF troops also conducted a search for US citizen Hillel Lieberman of Alon Moreh, who was reported missing yesterday morning. Lieberman is feared to be somewhere in Palestinian-controlled Area A. Yafe said a report was received at noon, but the family refused to cooperate with police.

However, the Palestinian news agency, Al Jazirra, reported that Lieberman, who went to protest the withdrawal from the compound, was killed by Palestinians.

Yafe said last night police were seeking clarification and investigating. Settlers asked the US Embassy to assist in finding Lieberman.

Settler leaders including those affiliated with the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva vowed to return and re-establish a Jewish presence at Joseph's Tomb in the near future.

Yeshiva director Yehuda Liebman said, "It was clear a day after the Temple Mount was given to the Palestinians, Joseph's Tomb would be the next in line. Israel is disintegrating from inside."

Toward the late afternoon and evening on Friday, Palestinians and armed Tanzim activists fired shots at IDF soldiers and border policemen throughout the region, including Hebron, Halhoul, and the Shedma junction near Beit Sahur.

One IDF soldier suffered light wounds at the Ayosh junction and a border policeman was lightly wounded at Kalkilya. Clashes ensued at Kadim and Ganim near Jenin, Hebron, Sanur, Yad Yair, Psagot, Ofra, and Shavei Shomron.

In the Gaza Strip, shots were fired at IDF troops along the Egyptian border south of Rafah, at the nearby border crossing, and the Netzarim junction. Thousands of Palestinians marched towards Neveh Dekalim and threw firebombs at the industrial site there. One IDF soldier was lightly wounded by stones thrown at troops stationed at the DCO in the northern Gaza Strip near Nisanit. Shots were fired at Kfar Darom and at IDF troops at Neveh Dekalim.

© Jerusalem Post 2000

http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/isreport/septoct00/tomb.html

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>>>When violent clashes between Israelis and Palestinians began in the West Bank in October 2000, six Palestinians and one Israeli were killed in fighting around the tomb. The Israeli army subsequently agreed to withdraw on October 7 and turn over control of the site to the Palestinian police, who were supposed to guard it. Instead, the Palestinian Police stood by as a mob ransacked the site, burned books and destroyed reading stands; the mob also burned down the army outpost. On that same day, an American-born rabbi [Hillel Lieberman], who taught at the seminary, was found slain outside Nablus.

The Mayor of Nablus, Ghassan Shakaa, said that the site would be repaired. Workers were seen fixing the damage, however, they were also painting the top of the dome green - the color of Islam. Workers say that they want to return the shrine to its former appearance before 1967, but news reports indicated the Palestinians were planning to build a mosque on the spot.<<<

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/joetomb.html

>>>Jewish religious sites were a main target of the Palestinians. Joseph's Tomb in Shechem (Nablus) was taken over by the Moslems early in the conflict, with Jews being attacked and killed, and the Jewish place of prayer being converted into a green-domed Mosque within 24 hours. <<<

http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/publications/dispatch/commentary/Article-7.html

 

I have been trying to upload (to FR) the image of the tomb, as it was shortly after the attack, with a freshly painted green dome, but I keep getting an error. I'll try again later or look more diligently for one on the net.

18 posted on 04/04/2002 10:16:06 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: SJackson
My God, how appalling.

If we allow it, there will come a day when these thugs try to erect a mosque over St. Peter's tomb.

19 posted on 04/04/2002 10:17:02 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Don't all of those "Palestinian Christians" care about this? How could they let this happen?
20 posted on 04/04/2002 10:18:05 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Who is buried in Joseph's tomb??
21 posted on 04/04/2002 10:21:55 AM PST by tracer
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To: cicero's_son; Sabramerican
Here's a much smaller version of the same image I have:


22 posted on 04/04/2002 10:22:47 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Lazamataz
"Bobby Fischer is going to trap them in a knight sacrifice ploy!"

Given that Bobby Fischer is as much an anti-Semitic loony as anyone in the PLO, you may well be right.

23 posted on 04/04/2002 10:29:55 AM PST by Fabozz
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To: cicero's_son
If we allow it, there will come a day when these thugs try to erect a mosque over St. Peter's tomb.

I have no doubt that, somewhere in the bowels of Tora Bora or Ramallah plans for the final mosque conversion exist. Gild the dome, move some pillars, carpet the steps and there you have it.

The lack of coverage in the US media, even when it happened, is chilling.

24 posted on 04/04/2002 10:30:40 AM PST by SJackson
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To: cicero's_son
If we allow it

If?

This happened a year and a half ago.

Have you heard the World complain? The USA?

If Israel now took it back, you would hear of Israel desecrating an Islamic site.

I'll go back to my original point. If you care about such things, include yourself among the poportionally infinitesimal Gentile righteous- although I don't know how you could be on FR for so long and not know.

25 posted on 04/04/2002 10:32:41 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Thanks
26 posted on 04/04/2002 10:33:04 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
St. Peter's Tomb = the Vatican. That hasn't been Islamized yet, at least to my knowledge...

As for how I missed this earlier, I don't know what to say. I never used to pay so much attention to the Israel threads. Human nature is selfish, I suppose, and I remained ignorant so long as I was unaffected.

27 posted on 04/04/2002 10:42:16 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
I don't mean to depress you, but you seem interested. First article is by a Christian living Jerusalem who does express your outrage.

The Islamization Of Biblical Sites In Israel

Arabs Continue Destruction and Digging of Remains of the Temple An Urgent call to Everyone in the World

Destruction of Shalom Al Yisrael" Synagogue

Closing of Rachel’s Tomb

28 posted on 04/04/2002 10:43:40 AM PST by SJackson
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To: Sabramerican
I think that more and more non-Jews are beginning to care, and to see things more the way we do. The seizure of the Church of the Nativity by over 100 ball-less Pallies has brought home to millions of Christians the nature of these people. What an ideal opportunity to show the world a very similar (though worse) action regarding a Jewish site. Even those who are blind as bats will be able to make the connection. It would at least have some impact.
29 posted on 04/04/2002 11:04:15 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: dennisw
Part of the problem is that the world's press is slanted against Israel. Making it an uphill fight to get anything heard.

Israel should be pounding the table day and night about the 800,000 Jews who were evicted from the Arab nations after 1948.

Agreed. However, despite the difficulties, Israel must make the effort to show the emptiness or the hypocracy in the Arab position. The worst that could happen is that things would go on as at present. However, some progress would be made. The effort would cost nothing, and potentially win some supporters and neutralize some opponents.

By the way, I have seen Regev. He is a very skilled debater and good on TV, very much like Bibi. He would, IMHO, be an ideal person to bring up these points. Bibi should also do it, regardless of whether anyone in the Israeli government likes it.

30 posted on 04/04/2002 11:09:47 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: cicero's_son;Sabramerican
PLENTY of Gentiles would care if Jewish holy sites were desecrated. We revere the Hebrew leaders and prophets, too.

You betcha! Plenty of fundamentalist Christians are as serious about this as any of the Jews you might know. This probably even applies to a lot of Christians who don't consider themselves to be fundamentalists,too.

As far as that goes,it even applies to non-believers such as me. These are historical and cultural sites,as well as religious sites. I don't want to see them harmed or destroyed.

31 posted on 04/04/2002 11:09:58 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: cicero's_son
If we allow it, there will come a day when these thugs try to erect a mosque over St. Peter's tomb.

Give Europe another 50 years, maybe less. Muslim immigration and birth rates will accomplish what jihad could not.

32 posted on 04/04/2002 11:15:45 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Thanks for posting this Thinkin' Gal.
33 posted on 04/04/2002 11:16:47 AM PST by happygrl
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To: cicero's_son
There are hardly any Christians left in the Holy Land. Most have immigrated due to the bigotry shown to them by the Muslims. I believe that the number of Christians is now approximately 1-2% of the Palestian population, down from around 11-12%.
34 posted on 04/04/2002 11:20:07 AM PST by happygrl
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To: SJackson
Call Vanna, buy a vowel.
35 posted on 04/04/2002 11:21:50 AM PST by codder too
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To: Ancesthntr
Israel has now in its possession proof positive that Arafat, the Nobel Prize winner, who Zitti and Powell are rushing to meet, who Bush refuses to name a terrorist, is responsible for much of the terrorism. They are screaming it at the top of their lungs.

You see anyone listening?

36 posted on 04/04/2002 11:32:33 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: cicero's_son
St. Peter's Tomb = the Vatican. That hasn't been Islamized yet, at least to my knowledge...

Let us hope that statement will be true in 50 years from now.

Keep in mind that Jewish holy sites are also Christian holy sites. Our history is also Christian history, at least until the first century.

37 posted on 04/04/2002 11:32:35 AM PST by Tom Jefferson
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To: Ancesthntr
My short answer is Mark Regev needs to get out there and speak. The Germanic accents just don't fly here in the USA. Regev speaks with UK or Aussie accent. Plus is good, clear and aggressive.

http://www.israelemb.org/bios/regev.htm

 

38 posted on 04/04/2002 11:33:24 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Sabramerican
Look at the support numbers in America for the Israelis versus those for Arafat.

We're watching and listening. The time will come for proper retribution.

39 posted on 04/04/2002 11:34:00 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: dennisw
I agree. Though he's not as quick on his feet as Alon Pincus(sp?).
40 posted on 04/04/2002 11:35:15 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: SJackson
Since the site of Joseph's Tomb is now a mosque, if it is found to be booby-trapped, the Israeli military could reasonably conclude that all other Moslem shrines are similarly equipped with explosives and therefore order them demolished by artillary without risking lives to inspect them individually.
41 posted on 04/04/2002 11:39:49 AM PST by DonQ
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To: SJackson
7 October 2000, in the beginning of the Oslo War

The Oslo War. Very clever, but also fitting.

42 posted on 04/04/2002 1:12:33 PM PST by gumbo
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I'm confused. Why would the world expect a Jewish nation to lose lives protecting a Christian shrine??
43 posted on 04/04/2002 1:36:32 PM PST by Krodg
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To: dennisw
British accent, doesn't pull any punches? I've seen him more than once in the past few days. Very well spoken.
44 posted on 04/04/2002 1:43:05 PM PST by agrace
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To: tracer
Grant?
45 posted on 04/04/2002 1:45:10 PM PST by weegee
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To: cicero's_son
PLENTY of Gentiles would care if Jewish holy sites were desecrated. We revere the Hebrew leaders and prophets, too.

And for all the talk about Islam being a "continuation," they specifically reject both the old and new testaments.

46 posted on 04/04/2002 1:45:39 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: cicero's_son
Let's fill it with footballs (pigskin). Of course the Pope may wonder why everyone is suddenly mailing him footballs.
47 posted on 04/04/2002 1:47:29 PM PST by weegee
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To: AmishDude
But miracles do happen. The muslims always manage to find some event that must be commemorated by building a mosque on Judeo-Christian historical sites.
48 posted on 04/04/2002 1:50:36 PM PST by weegee
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To: weegee
Bingo!! You win the Grand Prize -- an all-expense trip to the Holy Land!!
49 posted on 04/04/2002 2:04:26 PM PST by tracer
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To: Ancesthntr
Actually the Wahabbi Muslims themselves have desecratred and destroyed many graves of their revered figures, including Mohammed himself.
50 posted on 04/04/2002 2:05:07 PM PST by JAWs
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