[C7pilot]

Since you apparently are familiar with railroad operations, I would appreciate your comments on something that long since has bothered me. Namely, how does one get to be a Locomotive Engineer? There are formal schools, military and civilian, that produce pilots. I can't comment on the civilian counterpart but having received my wings, courtesy of the United States Air Force, I can testify to the thoroughness of their training. Back many years ago when I graduated, that training cost about a million dollars for each young pilot.

There are also formal training schools for truck drivers. Not that they anywhere near approach the depth of class room and hands-on requirements of military fliers, but are there, nonetheless.

All of which brings me to to my original question of how does one qualify to operate a locomotive? I have seen employment ads for pilots as well as multiple ads of flight schools (wanting students). The same is true for truck drivers, but never in my lifetime have I seen an ad for a Locomotive engineer - or any hint of a training school for same. All of Which leads me to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that it is a closed society whose entry is restricted to members of the "family."

Please elaborate.

[Diddle E. Squat]

It just depends on a lot of factors. There are a few colleges that offer some types of training. Someone might be able to get hired by a shortline railroad, some of them will train you. Also the major railroads hire from time to time, but it is very hit and miss. For a long time the railroads did almost no hiring, as they were consolidating and reducing excess staff. Only a generation ago most freight trains still ran with a 5 man crew, but labor agreements reduced that to two. So a lot of layoffs resulted, but many would still return when openings arose when retirement and growth eventually created spots. Airlines and truck traffic has grown much faster, hence the higher demand. It took until the mid-90's before there was a real need for hirings on a large scale. But then the railroads overhired, then the economic slowdown, and currently there is a glut in some places. In addition remote control is in the early stages of being implemented, that will reduce many crews to 1 man. So the outlook for new hiring is not good, but will take place in spots.

Yes, many new-hires were indeed 'family', being those with relatives already working for the RR. One reason for this is the nature of the job and the lifestyle. Odd hours, until recently no holidays off until you had many years of experience, seasonal layoffs for newhires, much time away from home, and no set schedule. Lots of divorces on the RR. Thus the retention rate is abysmal, half the guys the RR would train would quit within 6 months. So they figured people with family members on the RR may at least have a better since of the lifestyle demands. Nowadays railroads will send out hiring info to state job agencies, and even run ads in the paper. But they might do so one week, and then not again for 10 years.

Now to your actual question of how one trains to be an engineer. First you have to get hired by the RR. Background screening(no speeding tickets), psychological tests(don't answer yes when asked "Do you like to drive aggresively?"), and scare stories about how 'you'll spend Christmas in hotels and never see your kids grow up, so do you really want to do this?'. Once hired your sent to trainmen's school, 3-6 weeks plus of the basics(or some are required before hiring to attend a community college RR program, basically the same). Then you are assigned to ride along with crews for weeks or months to learn the territory and get hands on experiences as a brakeman or conductor. After a period(a few months to several years) of working as a brakeman or conductor in the yards and then on the road you may get a chance to bid on going to engineer school, all slots filled by seniority. That is 5 weeks of fairly intense training, followed by 6 months of riding with mentor engineers and gradually getting to run under their supervision in a variety of conditions. I believe then the student has to sit for certification.

Used to be that trainmen and engineers were separate crafts with separate unions and seniority, but nowadays the major RR's are forcing all trainmen to go to engineer's school. So the above sequence will vary from RR to RR, but that should give you an idea. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be hired by the RR, but they try to look for people willing to take orders and meticulously follow a routine. Military background is a big plus. But in a pinch they also will hire some real nitwits. It just depends.