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An alleged victim is called negligent
The Boston Globe ^ | April 29, 2002 | Walter Robinson

Posted on 04/29/2002 5:00:20 AM PDT by american colleen

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:07:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The cardinal's claim, filed in court by his attorneys, is boilerplate legal defense language. But a lawyer who is not involved in the case and has handled other cases involving allegations of clergy sex abuse said last night that the decision to use such a claim in so sensitive a case showed poor judgment.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cardinallaw; catholicchurch; catholiclist
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1 posted on 04/29/2002 5:00:20 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Added Durso: ''From the start, the archdiocese has been incredibly stupid in the way they have handled this crisis. And as hard as it was to do, they have managed to make things worse.''

Does anyone still think Cardinal Law doesn't have to be replaced by a God fearing man of God?

Read "Goodbye! Good Men" by Micheal S. Rose for insight into why this situation was allowed to fester.

2 posted on 04/29/2002 5:04:50 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: catholic_list
Sad, head shaking *ping*
3 posted on 04/29/2002 5:05:45 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Cardinal Bernard F. Law has asserted that ''negligence'' by the boy and his parents...

Incredible! Just when you think it couldn't get any worse...

4 posted on 04/29/2002 5:06:26 AM PDT by livius
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To: american colleen
"..has asserted that ''negligence'' by the boy and his parents contributed to the alleged abuse.."

Why even use the word "alleged"? This is beyond shamefull.

5 posted on 04/29/2002 5:11:03 AM PDT by Icthus
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To: american colleen
Law is free to do what he wants.

Massachusetts law officials bow and kneel to him at their Red Mass.

If it was ANYONE else --except maybe Gary Condit ....

6 posted on 04/29/2002 5:11:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: american colleen
Unbelievable. This cardinal is obviously unrepentant and totally oblivious to the damage he caused. He's so far off the mark that it makes me wonder if he's an abuser, too.
7 posted on 04/29/2002 5:11:52 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Lion's Cub
No, I don't think he's an abuser, and I expect if there were evidence of that we'd know it. That said, he is as guilty as the evil, debased priests that he sheilds and has sheilded since he came to Boston.

I think Cardinal Law is a man who is so out of touch with reality he can't even think with common sense.

8 posted on 04/29/2002 5:17:20 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Diogenesis
Massachusetts law officials bow and kneel to him at their Red Mass.

What the heck is a "Red Mass"?

9 posted on 04/29/2002 5:18:26 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Lion's Cub
If only by being complicit: yes, he is an abuser, too. V's wife.
10 posted on 04/29/2002 5:23:34 AM PDT by ventana
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To: american colleen;Drango; Saundra Duffy; MonroeDNA; history matters; Palladin; Travis McGee...
Cardinal Bernard F. Law has asserted that ''negligence'' by the boy and his parents contributed to the alleged abuse.

This is beyond OUTRAGEOUS. Spending money on attorneys to trash 6 yr old victims and their families is perpetuating the evil-doing. The only answer is for parishioners to withold offerings until the cardinal comes clean.

11 posted on 04/29/2002 5:24:27 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: american colleen
I think he means commie-infiltrated. Which kinda seems to be the case. V's wife.
12 posted on 04/29/2002 5:24:32 AM PDT by ventana
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I am beginning to think this is all too polite. How about a public lynching or at least a good tar and feathering? V's wife.
13 posted on 04/29/2002 5:25:26 AM PDT by ventana
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To: american colleen
Sipe said the message that Catholics will take from Law's claim is that ''the cardinal is saying that every Catholic child and every Catholic parent should have been watching out for every Catholic priest.''

This is precisely the message that the use of a 'contributory negligence' defense sends. And, given the Church's reaction to abuse cases and abusive priests, sad to say, it's probably the only reasonable approach a normally concerned parent can take. Never, ever, let your child be alone with any Catholic priest. Insist that there be at least three children and at least one lay heterosexual adult present at all times. The only exception is the confessional, and then only if it's fully separated.

As a lawyer, I appreciate that a 'contributory negligence' defense is normal legal maneuvering. However, in this situation, as many have pointed out, it is remarkably insensitive and in fact may verge on bad faith:

Consider that the Church encourages its members to trust the clergy and to allow priests to work closely with their children. It covers up abuse and then tells people they're negligent in not knowing Father Shanely et.al. are busy buggering little Bobby? If I were the opposing counsel or the judge, I'd come down on the Church's lawyers like a ton of bricks and tell them given the Church's 'unclean hands', the defense is unavailable.

The Church is really at crossroads here in these cases. They have to choose: defend the cases and lose the faithful or restore the trust of the faithful and essentially plead nolo contendere to the lawsuits, insisting only on some reasonable evidence that the abuse actually took place.

It's a hard choice, because the financial liability is going to be huge. Financial damage can be rectified over time, if the Church maintains the allegience of its membesr. On the other hand, if the Church continues to behave churlishly toward the victims of abuse, they will likely lose the cases anyway and lose all moral credibility. Can the Church in America really survive most Catholics believing they can't trust their kids with a priest? I don't think so. Mounting a significan defense to liability only reinforces the perception that the Catholic hierarchy is out of touch with the laity and interested only in personal power. What we have is a large number of men placing personal gain above the honor of the Church. The last time it was this bad, we had the Reformation. I'm not sure the American Church can survive if the people lose all trust in the priesthood.

People will argue that most priests are not homosexuals preying on kids, and that's probably true. But which ones are? How do you tell? It's like seeing a group of young black men dressed ghetto style: maybe 90% are as law abiding and hard woring as anyone, but 10% are thugs. How do you tell which is which. Even Jesse Jackson said, he was relieved when walking at night to see the people walking behind him were white, not black.

14 posted on 04/29/2002 5:30:57 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: ventana;tracer; BornOnTheFourth; Faeroe; Bush2000; Sloth; cynicom; homeschool mama; Izzy Dunne...
Power and arrogance have evidently gone unchecked for centuries. The fact that a 6 yr old boy is being retaliated against by attorneys using parishioners tithes and offerings is WRONG. The church should know the difference between right and wrong.
15 posted on 04/29/2002 5:38:27 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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The Church is really at crossroads here in these cases. They have to choose: defend the cases and lose the faithful or restore the trust of the faithful and essentially plead nolo contendere to the lawsuits, insisting only on some reasonable evidence that the abuse actually took place.

In my opinion, if the church believes in morality, it must not hire an attorney to attack a 6 yr old rape victim.

16 posted on 04/29/2002 5:44:07 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: american colleen
The Red Mass is celebrated each year for those in the legal profession including judges and attorneys.
17 posted on 04/29/2002 5:50:48 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: american colleen; frogandtoad; Domestic Church; BlessedBeGod; saradippity; maryz; Jeff Chandler...
THIS IS EVIL! Cardinal Law adds insult to injury. He himself is worse than a sex-offender by using attorneys who attack like this.

Cardinal Law is determined to destroy the Church along with himself. WHAT EVIL!!!

St. Catherine of Siena, pray for us.

18 posted on 04/29/2002 5:52:56 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
You make my point more succinctly than I did. Well, I'm not opposed to hiring an attorney and taking reasonable precautions to separate real victims from those who would prey on the Church in its weakness, but no more.

The local archbishop or cardinal should personally visit (unless the victims or their parents do not wish him to) every abuse victim, make sure he or she has whatever counselling and support is necessary and offer generous financial settlments. The Cardinal/Archbishop should diretly and personally acknowledge that the Church breached the trust of the victim and his or her family.

Anything less is inadequate.

19 posted on 04/29/2002 5:53:11 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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The Church is really at crossroads here in these cases. They have to choose: defend the cases and lose the faithful or restore the trust of the faithful and essentially plead nolo contendere to the lawsuits, insisting only on some reasonable evidence that the abuse actually took place.

I don't think it is a hard choice... if you are in the business of bringing souls to Jesus.

I keep thinking of Padre Pio during all of this. If these Cardinals and Bishops and Priests cannot imitate Jesus, why don't they look at the life of one of their own who lived during their lifetime - and ask what Padre Pio would do if he were a Cardinal.

20 posted on 04/29/2002 5:53:50 AM PDT by american colleen
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