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It took them three days and a deafening chorus of disapproval before they ostensibly agreed on a one-grope-and-you're-out policy. They can still water that down at the bishops conference in June.

Sickening.


1 posted on 05/04/2002 9:27:34 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
When the cardinals issued a statement targeting "notorious" predatory priests, that notorious protector of predators, Cardinal Bernard Law, was hiding in a friend's apartment inside the Vatican.

Law was probably with one of his homo/pedophile buddy Cardinals doing their homo sex rituals too?

2 posted on 05/04/2002 9:34:31 AM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: ppaul
The Words of Jesus, in Matthew chpt 7:

15 "Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep, but are really wolves that will tear you apart.

16 You can detect them by the way they act, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit. You don't pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles.

17 A healthy tree produces good fruit, and an unhealthy tree produces bad fruit.

18 A good tree can't produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can't produce good fruit.

3 posted on 05/04/2002 9:35:14 AM PDT by berned
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To: ppaul
Rome has resisted modernity, clinging to black and white.

Oh if only that were true!

Dowd's biggest self-contradiction here is that she advocates "grayness" in virtually all areas of the faith. She's right to criticize the waffling and dishonest application of standards in the American cardinals and bishops. But her remedy seems to be to shift their waffling into areas where she'd like to see it, rather than to return to a firm moral standard in ALL areas.

4 posted on 05/04/2002 9:42:28 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: history_matters,arrogant_bustard,gophack
And this is exactly why I strongly support all of my RC brethren, but without hesitation do not support the leaders in their church who have failed them.
5 posted on 05/04/2002 9:49:15 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: ppaul
When the cardinals issued a statement targeting "notorious" predatory priests, that notorious protector of predators, Cardinal Bernard Law, was hiding in a friend's apartment inside the Vatican

This is the most sickening statement of all. When I heard about this last week, I was in shock, that Catholic Leaders would condone child rape as long a it is held to a minimum. Raping one or two is ok, it is only raping a lot of little boys that is bad.

This religion needs to be abandoned, immediately, that or this man needs a good lynching, for he just said it is ok to rape YOUR little boy!!

6 posted on 05/04/2002 9:54:43 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: ppaul
We know faithfully married women who are forced to violate the Vatican stricture against birth control if they don't want 13 babies. We are friends with gay Catholics who are expected to sacrifice intimacy to maintain their faith.

This is where she wanders off. If she wants to be a New York Times editorial writer she must adhere to the rules of her office. She is free, of course, to pursue something else.

I really don't think she is qualified to say what the doctrine of the Catholic Church should be. I don't think someone should just go into a denomination and say "I am Catholic, but I don't believe this this this and this..." and expect an entire Church to say "Okay, let's change our entire belief system to accomodate you." There is a religion to fit everyone in this Country. If there isn't, make one up yourself. It's done all the time. But this idea of verbal intimidation and coercion to force an assembled group of people to accomodate every contrary belief Maureen Dowd thinks they should is crazy. She makes herself into an Opinion Nazi when she does that. If she doesn't like it "No views for you!!!!"

8 posted on 05/04/2002 9:58:29 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: ppaul
We know faithfully married women who are forced to violate the Vatican stricture against birth control if they don't want 13 babies. We are friends with gay Catholics who are expected to sacrifice intimacy to maintain their faith.

Typical Dowd column; long on rhetoric, short on facts. She leaves out the capital sins of sloth and wrath, which she has been repeatedly guilty of committing, including in this piece. Her contempt for Law and his fellow aiders and abettors, which is well deserved, is undermined by her venom for the disciplines and doctrines of Roman Catholicism.

9 posted on 05/04/2002 10:09:47 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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And while conservatives back home yammered that the answer was a return to clerical austerity, Cardinal Edward Egan luxuriated at a five-star hotel near the Pantheon. (Add Gluttony to the list.)

Is her point that Egan is a conservative or that he is hailed by conservatives or that the conservatives "yammering" are wrong?

The cardinals chose defiance over deference to the expectations of their devastated flock, which thought that celibacy, women priests and married priests might be discussed.

Some of us thought that dealing with priest-molesters might be discussed, or does that constitute mere conservative "yammer[ing] about a return to clerical austerity"?

14 posted on 05/04/2002 10:31:40 AM PDT by maryz
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To: ppaul
This person needs to talk to someone who is literate about Vatican II and how it has affected Catholic lives for the better. Come into the new century, please.
20 posted on 05/04/2002 10:57:03 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: ppaul
Gray is an appropriate symbol. Excepting economics Yes or No is beyond the capacity of any person in a position of authority. This is true of church, government at all levels, business and military.

"Christianity shall die of its own mendaciousness"-A Great Historian 1888.

22 posted on 05/04/2002 11:05:00 AM PDT by HENRYADAMS
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To: ppaul
Aren't male paedophiles (or rapists of teenage children, if one insists on that not-very-meaningful distinction) often married (to women) at the time of their crimes? Doesn't that refute the proposition that celibacy vow = paedophilia?
45 posted on 05/05/2002 8:12:37 AM PDT by pttttt
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To: ppaul
Why are people surprised? Look at who we are talking about. To expect these degenerate prelates to cleanse the priesthood of sexual predators is the equivalent of asking Yassir Arafat to run the terrorists out of the PA.
49 posted on 05/05/2002 5:38:41 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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