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"What happens to animals in factory farming is not right" (PIM FORTUYN'S KILLER SPEAKS)
Animal Freedom ^ | May 7, 2002 | Volkert van der Graaf

Posted on 05/07/2002 4:36:10 PM PDT by aristeides

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So he acted out of a "sense of justice." Hmmm.
1 posted on 05/07/2002 4:36:11 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: knighthawk
FYI.
2 posted on 05/07/2002 4:36:45 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Every vegetarian I have ever met is stark, staring mad.

Meat is required for mental stability.

I am beginning to think that vegetarianism should be outlawed.

3 posted on 05/07/2002 4:37:47 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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Somebody posted a Dutch news article here earlier today that identified the killer as "Volkert van de G." Knighthawk just posted to me that he has learned through the Internet that the killer is "V. van de Graaf." There have been articles posted here during the day that the killer belongs to Milieu Offensief, an environmentalist organization. This piece says that the author belongs to that organization. His name is given as "Volkert van der Graaf". Obviously he is the killer.
5 posted on 05/07/2002 4:40:28 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
And he say he uses the Law as a tool... Since that part is a lie, how about the rest of his words?????
6 posted on 05/07/2002 4:41:14 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: aristeides
Another grand example of the Nanny-Cancer that began to metastasize in the last 20 years or so.

For the good of the Earth my ass.

7 posted on 05/07/2002 4:44:08 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: terriergal
Ok, let me get this straight. Because I don't like what's going on out on the farm and to the animals, I'm going to go and kill a human being?

Errrr....ok

8 posted on 05/07/2002 4:44:13 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Lazamataz
Every vegetarian I have ever met is stark, staring mad...

I'm inclined to agree.

I wonder what these people think animals do to other animals?
In the wild you are quick, strong, ruthless- or dead. No in-between.

9 posted on 05/07/2002 4:44:22 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Lazamataz
I have a secret little dream I would like to pull some day, when I have more money and time:

I want to load my BBQ grill in my truck, drive to Berkeley, park in front of a
Vegetarian reastaurant and start grilling hamburgers to give away to the homeless.

So what would they do?

I am cooking meat, but feeding the homeless.

The confusion alone would be worth it.

10 posted on 05/07/2002 4:56:58 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: aristeides; all
The office from his organization was closed and barricaded today. His wife went into hiding. All the killer said to the police is that he had done it and he wanted a specific lawyer. More tomorrow (it's 2 in the morning again).
11 posted on 05/07/2002 4:58:26 PM PDT by knighthawk
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yes but they figure we humans are morally inclined and so should know better. Or something along those lines.
12 posted on 05/07/2002 4:58:27 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: aristeides
The result is less pollution of the environment and less animal suffering

And less food and more human suffering.

13 posted on 05/07/2002 5:01:55 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: aristeides
My actions don't come so much from love for animals

THE TRUTH AT LAST!

14 posted on 05/07/2002 5:02:36 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: aristeides
Many animal protectors act from the assumption that "nature is good", but every dark side of humans can also be found in nature. Protecting animals is civilizing people, as they say.

This is absolutely bizarre. So, every dark side of humans that is found in nature is bad? When is he going to go out and kill animals for the "dark" things they do?

15 posted on 05/07/2002 5:03:59 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Cyrano; Tennessee Bob; Free_Trapper; Crowcreek; Abundy; Gianni; Gun142; Son of Rooster; dorben...
ping !
16 posted on 05/07/2002 5:06:29 PM PDT by Terriergal
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Nature Will Not Wait

by Mikhail S. Gorbachev
President, Green Cross International

The fall of the Berlin Wall and the political storm that swept across the world a little over a decade ago was above all else a testament to the power of the human spirit to tackle adversity. The Cold War had posed a threat to security, liberty and development everywhere, creating a seemingly insurmountable barrier between the peoples of the planet. Yet, the right mixture of human vision and courageous leadership brought this dark period in our history to a peaceful end. Today we are faced with another threat, already the cause of great suffering for millions: the degradation of the environment. To meet this global challenge we again need a clear and unified vision, determination and decisive leadership.

The impact and forecasts of global warming are worsening; desertification is advancing; deforestation and pollution are endangering our ecosystems; and more than 1.2 billion people do not have access to clean drinking water. We have seen environmental disasters with untold destruction of both human lives and nature: in the short term, during the past months there have been devastating floods across much of Europe and South Asia and the wreck of tankers off the natural treasures of the Galapagos Islands and Australian barrier reef; in the long term, vast areas of the Earth have been irrevocably scarred by the loss of ancient forests, mismanagement of river basins and contamination.

Many environmental experts warn these trends are now far too advanced for us to achieve real sustainability by means of gradual change; they believe we have 30 to 40 years in which to act. Time is short and we are already lagging behind.

While there are an increasing number of bold initiatives led by government and corporate leaders to protect the environment, I do not see emerging the leadership and willingness to take risks at the scale we need to confront the current situation. While there are an increasing number of people and organizations dedicated to raising awareness and provoking change in the way we treat nature, I do not yet see the clear vision and united front which will inspire humankind to respond in time to correct our course.

The example of the failure of leadership at the climate change talks in The Hague last November are disturbing. This failure lays at the hands of our political leaders, particularly the United States which has not yet even ratified the treaty, and, to a lesser extent, the business community which has increasing influence over government policies. Another worrying example of how we are going about things the wrong way is the increasingly closed nature of the annual World Economic Forum in Davos _ isolating delegates and pushing other interest groups further from the mainstream. In The Hague and in Davos we saw divisions into camps: North versus South, and pro- versus anti-"globalizationists".

This is a very grave situation. It is critical that we find a way to bring about rapid, sweeping change of human consciousness and actions worldwide -- something that enables us to provoke a large-scale shift of course in a very short time. This cannot be achieved if we remain divided.

The end of the Cold War offers an example of people-powered change that positively altered the course of history. We need a similar shift _ a fundamental shift in values _ to ensure that we do not miss this window of opportunity to save our beautiful planet, and ourselves. First among the threats we must face are those posed by nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction, the freshwater crisis, and the impact of climate change.

A new way of thinking, a new world order that is based more on justice and equality and less on profits is needed. We thought the fall of the Berlin Wall would usher this in, but instead a more complicated world has resulted and, more worrying still, we are now even seeing signs of a resurgence in militarization.

What can be done? What kind of leadership do we need? I consider 5 points to be vital in this respect: 1. Reform the UN system in order to give more power for actions and the enforcement of UN decisions for peace and stability; 2. International Agreements, Conventions and Protocols relevant to disarmament, climate change, biodiversity, desertification, international watercourses, and others should be ratified without delay, and implemented with courage and determination. 3. Environmental objectives should be integrated from the beginning into development planning and any form of economic activity; 4. Political leaders -- and businesses -- should acknowledge and act on their responsibility to turn rhetoric into action and achieve environmental compliance; 5. Reverse the decline of international development, allowing developing nations to reduce their crippling debt, cover basic human needs, and access technologies to use materials and energy efficiently, with a minimum of waste.

If nothing is done to achieve sustainability in the first part of this new century, the prospects for humankind’s survival will diminish. Still, if I thought it were hopeless, I would not join you in the environmental movement as President of Green Cross International.

Nature is giving us all the signs we need to develop a common vision for the future; we must grasp this message and act now. Governments, individuals and business - Let us move together, with bold leadership, to solve the environmental crisis _ Nature will not wait.

17 posted on 05/07/2002 5:09:42 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Terriergal;Catspaw
I believe we'd best be keeping an eye on the animal and earth activists in the U.S.
18 posted on 05/07/2002 5:18:02 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: Michael.SF.
LOL! That's one gag I'd gladly contribute to!
19 posted on 05/07/2002 5:34:19 PM PDT by Frances_Marion
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To: Free Trapper
Ya mean like the ELF and those sub-national groups that support them. Ya mean those that justify spiking trees and arson against ski lodges and new home construction. Or those that vandalize scientific research centers. This is just the highest form of crimes, someone we all know may show up to try and defend this.

SOR

20 posted on 05/07/2002 5:39:26 PM PDT by Son of Rooster
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