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Canseco Making Waves
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| May 18th, 2002
Posted on 05/18/2002 9:55:51 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: T. Jefferson
Excess size reduces flexibilityThis statement is false unless you are talking about fat, not muscle. Excercise, weightlifting, and stretching each increase flexibility, not reduce it. Sitting on the couch watching TV while eating reduces flexibility. The idea of somebody being "musclebound" is a myth. If having large, strong muscles was detrimental to an athlete's performance, athletes wouldn't take steroids at every level from highschool on up.
There are steroids in every major sport except maybe golf. The problem is that not enough is done to stop it. If EVERYBODY was tested regularly and got kicked out of the sport for testing positive, use would go down immediately. But, winning and money are more important to players, management, and fans, than winning fairly.
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posted on
05/18/2002 12:06:34 PM PDT
by
Rad_J
To: martin_fierro
I, for one, anticipate re-hearing about all his wife-beating incidentsLOL! I guess he isn't called a slugger for nothing!
To: Sabertooth
I love baseball, but it really seems to be going down the tubes. I would rather go to a minor league, college, or triple-A game than a major league game now. At a major league game, the prices for everything are exorbitant, the loud music and flashy signs and "games" are annoying and distracting, and the players all act like they're bored with the whole thing. I think major league baseball has been ruined.
To: TommyDale
Probably the biggest contributing factor was that he avoided injury for most of the season. Bond's is notoriously fragile and usually misses close to 1/4 of the season. The baseball talking heads have been saying since the McGuire-Sossa home run race that if Bonds could ever stay healthy he'd be a contender. There were a couple of times he was on pace to beat 61 deep into the season then got wounded. Now roids might have contributed to that, certainly greater muscle mass does contribute to durability and help avoid injury, but when it comes to that roids are no substitute for actually working out which also strengthens your tendons and bones.
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posted on
05/18/2002 12:24:17 PM PDT
by
discostu
To: Pining_4_TX
I would rather go to a minor league, college, or triple-A game than a major league game now. Ditto that. Mrs. Fierro & I have been attending minor league San Jose Giants games and have had a blast (without spending a fortune).
To: Pining_4_TX
I love baseball, but it really seems to be going down the tubes. I agree. I let my season tickets lapse back in 1998 (delayed reaction to the '94 strike), and attended only one or two games after that. I saw no point in paying all that money just to watch the Rangers get slaughtered in the post-season (if indeed they make it that far) by the Yankees every year.
Baseball, at least the "professional" version, is rapidly going the way of the dodo. League-wide, average attendance at games last year was over 800,000 fans down from the previous year, and continues to plummet. The rapidly-dwindling fan base of the game are sick and tired of unceasing public labor squabbles, overpaid over-drugged "athletes," greedy and venal owners, and a product that frankly hasn't changed with the times. In my humble opinion, major-league baseball is officially an anachronism.
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things".
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posted on
05/18/2002 12:42:56 PM PDT
by
strela
To: Sabertooth
Only a couple of the 500 HR Club were under 6' tall. Mel Ott was another. Not sure about Ernie Banks. Mantle was 5'11".
To: strela
tired of unceasing public labor squabbles
Reports are that a player strike is coming this August. I doubt many people will care but for a few SABRE members.
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posted on
05/18/2002 3:38:10 PM PDT
by
doosee
To: Sabertooth
Sammy Sosa sure looks like he is on them
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posted on
05/18/2002 3:57:26 PM PDT
by
uncbob
To: T. Jefferson
I bet 10% are. At the top of the list is Barry Bonds. He put on 25-30 pounds of muscle the year before he broke the record. It was blatantly obvious. You don't need size to hit homeruns. Look at Luis Rodriquez, Rafael Palmiero...you need great eyes and timing. Excess size reduces flexibility, which is detrimental if anything. The avg. baseball player is now football player size. People just don't realize how big the players naturally are. Ripken is 6'4 230 pounds all muscle.First of all, Bonds is only listed at 210 now (and he's only 6'2," which is not big for today. A few years ago, he played at 195. So, you've exaggerated like crazy, in order to make your case. Then you unmake your case, by saying that too much size "reduces flexibility." So, according to you logic, Bonds should be hitting FEWER home runs, not more.
As for flexibility, you must have missed the shot Bonds hit for his 53rd or 54th last year. He was jammed so far inside, it was impossible to do anything but foul it off down the first base side. And yet, he jacked it!
Steroids are also notorious for affecting a man's personality. They tend to make you aggressive and violent, to the point of going head-hunting and trying to maim other players with baseballs, or even with a broken bat (Sabe will know exactly who I'm talking about here). Bonds, on the contrary, has gone from junkyard dog to pussycat. If he's on steroids, I want to get some for my wife!
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posted on
05/18/2002 7:23:33 PM PDT
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mrustow
To: FreeReign
Only a couple of the 500 HR Club were under 6' tall. Mel Ott was another. Not sure about Ernie Banks. Mantle was 5'11".
The "Say, Hey Kid" was only 5'10" (and 170 lbs.).
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posted on
05/18/2002 7:29:21 PM PDT
by
mrustow
To: uncbob
Sammy Sosa sure looks like he is on themThank you! Sosa broke in at 175; he now weighs in at 220 or more.
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05/18/2002 7:30:39 PM PDT
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mrustow
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To: Rad_J
There are steroids in every major sport except maybe golfHate to burst your bubble!
To: Sabertooth
TAMPA, Fla. -- Jose Canseco claimed -- possibly with a straight face -- on Fox Sports Net this week that 85 percent of Major League Baseball players are taking steroids.
That seems a bit high, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least a third do. Ahh it makes me yearn for the good ole days of yore; even though I wasn't alive back in yore.
To: Pining_4_TX
Ditto to that. On a related note you should check out the movie "The Rookie". I'm not a big movie guy, but this was a great one.
To: mrustow
And Willie Mays is still alive and well.
To: remaininlight
I wasn't suggesting that he'd died, only that he is no longer 5'10" and 170.
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posted on
05/19/2002 6:21:12 AM PDT
by
mrustow
To: majordivit
His knew 'physique' is all due to roids. How do you know that? While it not impossible that he has used steroids, you offer no proof, while ignoring the fact that he has an extensive year-round workout schedule.
That's another of the big differences between now and the old days. With the huge amounts of money now at stake, players, on average, keep themselves in much better physical shape than in the old days. themselves
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posted on
05/19/2002 6:29:23 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
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