[Roscoe]

1. Jefferson was obviously using the word 'right' in its meaning as a delegated power.

2. Nations have no rights, they have powers, delegated to them by their citizens.

Nice example of tail chasing, tpaine.

[tpaine]

"Any free nation has a right to punish those who have done them an injury." --Thomas Jefferson
"Every nation has a right to govern itself internally under what forms it pleases, and to change these forms at its own will." --Thomas Jefferson


Word games roscoe. - Jefferson was obviously using the word 'right' in its meaning as a delegated power.
We the people have delegated those powers to our nation in our constitution.
- And addressing Old Tom's second quote, I doubt we could change our guranteed republican form of government without far more than a simple amendment. Such change would be revolutionary.

- Your hoped for communitarian state, for instance, - will never become a reality.
Nations have no rights, they have powers, delegated to them by their citizens.

"Nice example of tail chasing, tpaine." roscoe -

Nice example of your irrational methods in replying, roscoe. - Thanks for proving you're a lightweight.