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General Hawley Speaks Out About Post Sep-11th Idiocy(must read!)
The Southern Aviator ^ | June 2002 Issue | General Richard Hawely

Posted on 05/23/2002 1:42:56 AM PDT by SkyPilot

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1 posted on 05/23/2002 1:42:56 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot; MeeknMing
MeeknMing,

Could you send this out on your PING list?

2 posted on 05/23/2002 1:47:37 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
I will add this to the next update of DUBOB 9-
( all that "stuff" the media won't talk about, or will only mention once, for fear us peons will start asking rude questions they'd rather not deal with )
3 posted on 05/23/2002 2:28:51 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: SkyPilot
What a great post !
4 posted on 05/23/2002 2:34:06 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: SkyPilot
BTTT
5 posted on 05/23/2002 2:36:32 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: backhoe
backhoe - good morning. Would love to send this out through mailblaster - but yesterday and this morning, can't get on their site. Are you having trouble with them too?
6 posted on 05/23/2002 2:40:11 AM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: SkyPilot
Your link seems to lead to the May issue of SA. Where is the link to the source containing the article?
7 posted on 05/23/2002 2:44:47 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: SkyPilot; Snow Bunny; Alamo-Girl; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; onyx; SusanUSA; RonDog...
Could you send this out on your PING list?
Sure, FRiend!

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my ping list!. . .don't be shy.
8 posted on 05/23/2002 2:44:57 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: knighthawk
you might wanna see this too.......
9 posted on 05/23/2002 2:45:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: sauropod,
bump!
10 posted on 05/23/2002 2:49:29 AM PDT by countrydummy
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To: MeeknMing
Cross-posted on the Canteen.
11 posted on 05/23/2002 2:49:40 AM PDT by Aeronaut
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To: Elkiejg
Yes, a day or so ago mailblaster would send to newsgroups, but not the House or Senate- it kept freezing up. Also, teesdale's mass emailer is temporarily offline. You can use Outlook Express to create a "group" of email addies to send a bcc mass email to- details here:

Ignorance Making You Ill? Cure It!

12 posted on 05/23/2002 2:51:34 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: SkyPilot
One of the best pieces of writing I have ever read period. Great Post Thank You.
13 posted on 05/23/2002 3:09:52 AM PDT by Rays_Dad
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To: Movemout
Your link seems to lead to the May issue of SA. Where is the link to the source containing the article?

It is probably not on-line yet. I got the June issue in the mail from my father and had to re-type it. Here is their info:

The Southern Aviator
Editor, Thomas Norton: tnorton@southern-aviator.com

or

editors@southern-aviator.com

14 posted on 05/23/2002 3:19:55 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Rays_Dad
Thanks. I don't even know if Gen Hawley meant for this letter to be viewed by a mass audience, but it sure hits the mark.
15 posted on 05/23/2002 3:24:00 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
With instructors like Gen. Hawley, re-education camps are beginning to sound like not such a bad idea...
16 posted on 05/23/2002 3:26:40 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: SkyPilot
Good post. Thanks.
17 posted on 05/23/2002 3:34:12 AM PDT by pt17
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To: backhoe
Thanks backhoe - I'll set up the emails as you suggested.
18 posted on 05/23/2002 3:52:41 AM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: MeeknMing
Very good read. Thanks for the ping.
19 posted on 05/23/2002 3:56:33 AM PDT by TxBec
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To: SkyPilot
http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/hawley.htm

There is a piece zooming around the internet that attributes some pretty forceful statements to me, Dick Hawley - one time fighter pilot, General, thoughtful consultant, neophyte strategist, master of the artful compromise. The words did not flow from my pen, but if the e-mails mean anything, those words are now indelibly linked to my name. So do me a favor - if you receive this, please send it on to the same people to whom you forwarded the one that I did not write. It's not that I don't share many, if not most, of the sentiments attributed to me, but the piece is just not my style. Here's what I would have said if I'd been asked to comment on those five important issues.

1) Goodness, Evil and Relativity: There are some really good people in this world. They volunteer to help those who need it, and ask nothing in return. There are also some really bad people in this world. They exploit those who need help, or who have less wit or "charisma", and motivate them to join in committing unspeakable acts of cruelty against people they don't even know. Then there are the rest of us. Average people who try each day to do no harm, to provide for their families, to do an occasional act of kindness. The evil that was perpetrated against our land on 9/11 was the product of Mullahs who see our prosperity and power as a threat to their control over the uneducated Muslim masses on whose shoulders they ride through life. And so they preach hate. They are evil.

2) Violence begets violence: It's true. Violence does beget violence. But sometimes there is no alternative but to confront those who would perpetrate evil acts against us. This is one of those times. We are blessed to have courageous men and women willing to put their lives on the line to track down and annihilate those who have been so imbued with evil as to be beyond redemption. But violence is not a strategy. It is a necessary and fully justified reaction to an unimaginable threat. But it is not a strategy. If we are to win this war, we must defeat the Mullahs. And to defeat the Mullahs, we must find ways to separate them from their uneducated flocks. We cannot kill all those who have been taught to hate us, nor should we wish to. Far better to change their minds than to change their state of being.

3) The intelligence community let us down: Well, maybe just a little. Lots of senior and not so senior intelligence people became just as enamored of high tech gadgets as their political masters. The protests over our evisceration of the human intelligence component of the agency were not very loud or forceful. Keeping spies on the ground is a high risk and often dirty business, and it wasn't just liberal politicians who didn't have much stomach for it.

4) Poverty is the breeding ground for terrorists: No, it isn't; but religious extremism is. The Mullahs fear our wealth and power because it shows that a secular society with democratic institutions and a free market economy can do a better job of taking care of its peoples' needs, both spiritual and physical, than the oppressive Islamic regimes that they aspire to lead. The Mullahs are the problem, not poverty, but poverty does make it easier for the Mullahs to spread their evil - as do governments that tolerate and even reinforce their hateful message.

5) Profiling: We are at war here! We are not talking about traffic stops. If we were at war with Iceland, I would expect those charged with our defense to pay very close attention to any Icelander who ventured near our shores. In this war I expect them to pay very close attention to Muslims with ties to the places that spew hatred against us. Random checks when there are no such obvious targets available are a good way to keep the evil ones guessing, but let's not make small children and grandmothers take their shoes off while we watch far more likely candidates walk aboard unchecked.

6) Resolutions:

a. Never forget that what happened on September the 11th of 2001 was an act of war.

b. Never sit silently by while someone tries to justify what happened on that day as an understandable reaction to U.S. policies in the Middle East or elsewhere.

c. Fly our nation's flag proudly - it represents this world's greatest hope to move beyond the pain and suffering that inflict so many across the globe.

Richard E. Hawley
General, USAF, Retired
Former Commander, Air Combat Command

20 posted on 05/23/2002 4:38:30 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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