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To: EBUCK

Wha-Wha-What? daily (220) 7,980% How's that?

Trade the same dollar, over and over again in currency transactions, with both sides paying every time, a penny here a penny there mounts up.


A better question is how do we stop them before they get this thing rolling. We could always not require our investors to pay then let the UN try to force us to do it.

Actually it is unlikely to be enacted in regards the UN as it requires a treaty to do so.

How do you stop something that the slip under the door with no warning, and under other names? All one can be is aware that such taxes are in the minds of politicians as alternatives to the current way of taxing.

It's equivalent could readily be enacted here as a national tax. Apparently such a tax, as it would regard commodities & currency trading, has been proposed in the Bush FYI 2003 Budget:

(PDF) http://www.theniba.com/futuresrep/NIBA.pdf

"National Introducing Brokers Association
55 West Monroe Street, Suite 3330
Chicago, Illinois 60603
www.theniba.com
Phone: 312.977.0598
Fax: 312.977.0377
Wednesday, February 27, 2002

The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20502
RE: Proposed Tax on Futures Transactions

Dear Mr. President:

The National Introducing Brokers Association (NIBA) strongly opposes the proposed transaction tax on U.S. exchange-traded futures contracts currently included in your proposed Fiscal Year 2003 Budget. The NIBA, an 11-year old trade organization of professional salespersons employed in the futures and options industry, joins with domestic exchanges, trade associations and self-regulatory organizations to voice our opposition. "

And as the Newman "par user's fee". Which was investigated and proposed for application in the United States Congress during Clinton adminstration as an alternative to the income tax:

http://www.madashellclub.com/frontpage.html

CRS REPORT FOR CONGRESS 88-103 E

By

William Jackson Specialist in Money and Banking and Jack Taylor specialist in Public Finance. Economic Division. January 5, 1998

A FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS TAX?

THE PROPOSED FEDERAL PAR USER’S FEE

            Proposal to cut the gigantic federal deficit have ranged far and wide. Among them is an innovative suggestion to levy a new Federal tax that would be broadly based: the proposed “par user’s fee.” As developed by tax lawyer John S. Newman, it would collect a small sum from all checks, direct deposits, and many other noncash transfers of funds through the banking system. The proposal is presented and analyzed below.

DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSAL

Revenue Base

            Most economic activity in the United States is mirrored in financial transactions flowing through the banking system in the form of checks, drafts, electronic funds transfers. Each stage of the production and sale of a good or service in the economy generally requires numerous financial transactions (loans, other capital transfers, payments to suppliers of labor and intermediate products. Except for those handled by barter or cash, most transactions go through the U.S. bank clearing system. The sum of all these financial transactions is a very large number, many times larger than the gross national product. Mr. Newman has estimated it as $220 trillion. This sum represents money moving into and out of various financial accounts, and for banking purposes there is a record of each such movement. This is the base that Mr. Newman proposes to tax.

            The tax would be levied at some very low rate—Mr. Newman suggests one-two-hundredth of 1 percent, or .00005—on each transfer out of an account with a financial institution. Inter-bank clearances and certain inter-account transfers would be exempt. Cash movements would likewise be exempt. Government transfers would be taxed on their deposit rather than their withdrawal (i.e., taxed to the recipients instead of the governments, as an exception to the general collection rule). The bank handling the account involved in the taxed transaction would \deduct the required tax from the account and remit if to the Federal Government at the same time that it deducted the principal amount from the account, making collection virtually automatic.   

Is it a User Fee?

            The proposed tax is called a “user fee” by its author because it is levied on a financial system created and maintained by the Federal Government. Mr. Newman suggests that it can be viewed as a fee for the services provided by the government. In clearing transactions and insuring deposits. Mr. Newman characterizes his fee as a “par” fee in return for the Government ensuring acceptance of chicks at 100 cents on the dollar (par), without recipients worrying whether the instrument would be redeemed a par by the issuing bank. This terminology stems from conditions in banking that existed many years ago, when bank liabilities issued in one location were subject to discounts if presented elsewhere, i.e., “nonpar” valuation for their presenters. 

            In most tax literature, “user fee” means a government charge related to the cost of providing the government services, analogous to a price in the private economy. The charges presently levied against financial institutions for Federal deposit insurance, wire transfers, and the like by their regulators are  “user fees” in this sense. Mr. Newman’s proposed fee is in addition to the present fees and is intended to raise revenue for general Government use. Not to reimburse specific Government costs.

            Indeed, to the extent that Federal legislation (beginning with the National Bank Act of 1863 and continuing through P.L. 96-221) has forced depository financial institutions to maintain cash reserve to among other things, facilitate the clearance of payment instruments, some would suggest they already more than compensate the Government for such services by submitting to a large implicit tax: lost earnings on the reserve. The “reserve tax: seems to be largely passed on to customers in the form of service charges and lowered or zero interest on checking accounts.

ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR

            Mr. Newman estimates the base for his proposed “user fee”. The sum of the transactions clearing the banking system annually, as “at least $220 trillion.” (CRS is unable to verify this estimate independently.) Clearly the proposed tax base is very large a very large base can be combined with a very low, unobtrusive tax rate to produce large Government revenues without unduly upsetting taxpayers. Very low rates make evasion and avoidance unprofitable activities for most taxpayers, as was the case in the successful collection of Federal “stamp duties” on many financial transactions in the 1860s. The levy would not likely be large enough (at Mr. Newman’s suggested rate) to induce many payers to shift to barter or cash payments and the “underground economy.”

            The tax would be a very easy levy to collect. The bank doing the final processing of the transaction would simply program its computer to deduct from the account the amount of tax as it deducts the amount transferred in the transaction. Remittance could them easily be made to the Treasury’s tax and loan accounts that are presently maintained within the commercial banking system. The financial community could be allowed to retain a small portion of the amounts collected, perhaps 1 percent, for serving as collection agent. The entire system could operate virtually automatically for most routine transactions. Most recipients would thus not feel the imposition of the “fee.” The payers would probably treat the small sums deducted as a nuisance only, of even lesser irritation to them than sales taxes.

            The extensive records presently maintained in the banking system would be adequate to allow Government verification and audits of the tax collection system. Unlike most other new tax proposals, no elaborate new system of administering the tax would be required, at least for those transactions that stayed within the present bank clearance system. The proposed low rate of tax would make extensive efforts to avoid the tax uneconomical for smaller transactions, further simplifying the administration and enforcement problem

            Changing rates of tax would be a fairly simple matter that could be accomplished quickly (at least as an administrative problem) by merely notifying the banks to change the rate in their computer programs. If quick rate changes for fiscal policy reasons were politically feasible in this country, this tax could certainly be designed to accomplish this purpose easily.

ARGUMENTS AGAINST

            For taxpayers with large aggregate financial transactions (i.e., major corporations), even a low rate of tax can be profitably avoided if the cost of avoidance is relatively small. Since this tax would strike only transactions clearing through the U.S. banking system it could be avoided by dealing in cash, be barter arrangements, or by conducting the transaction through foreign banking systems. Extensive efforts to prevent this type of avoidance could lead to far greater administrative costs; but the possibilities for avoiding the tax could reduce considerably Mr. Newman’s estimated tax base of $220 trillion.

            Another possibility for avoiding the tax, and thus reducing the tax base, would be vertical integration of operations. Payments to outside suppliers go through the banking system and thus would incur the tax; the same item supplied from within the corporation could avoid the tax. This is a common effect of European-style “turnover” taxes, and other taxes like this one, can be decreased by decreasing the number of transactions involved in an operation.

            This tax may be overstated in another sense, also. The base is so very large because it counts the same dollars over an over again. Gross national product (GNP), the final market value of all economic transactions, is around $4.5 trillion; financial transactions totaling $220 trillion are the sum of many turnovers of the dollars making up GNP, as well as many movements of capital and financial paper that do not add to the GNP as any other $11billion tax would be, regardless of the stated rate. The $11 billion is almost exactly one-quarter of one percent of 1987 GNP. In absolute dollars, it is essentially the same amount as the revenue shown in the 1987 budget from the Federal excise taxes on tobacco and alcohol. The continuing absorption of small sums from the circular flow of dollars reflecting ongoing transactions becomes clearer in chart 1 (on the next page—the spatial relationship of the 50-cent deduction from the $100 circle is clearly not to scale).

             The fact that this proposal would tax the same dollars again and again as they move through the economy makes it difficult to determine the final incidence of the tax. The tax represents an increase in the cost of doing business for business taxpayer, and it may be assume that the tax, like other costs, would be passed forward in price increases wherever possible. Since the tax is on financial rather than real transactions, however, its impact on the final price of any good or service depends on the number of financial transactions it takes to make each purchase at each stage of production (e.g., a check to purchase an intermediate good from a supplier, a check from the supplier to the earlier stage input supplier, checks for loans to cover each item used, and so on for each stage of production and final sale of each product). If the accumulated tax on all such transactions were ultimately passed through to final consumers, the tax would be the equivalent of a sales tax on all goods and services levied at a rate (expressed as a fraction of final sales price) considerably in excess of the stated rate pf .00005. In the case of the stamp taxes of the 1960s mentioned above, for example, final product prices rose be many times the totals off the par-item intermediate-stage taxes.

            Politically, the relatively “hidden” nature of the tax and the ease with which its rates could be raised would not be regarded as positive points by everyone. Some prefer to have taxes that are not easily ignored as a means of imposing fiscal discipline on Government activities.     

SUMMARY

            The proposal has appealing features. Its very low rate, making the tax virtually unnoticeable by most taxpayers, combined with the very large base many times GNP, could possibly produce large amounts of revenue fairly painlessly. It would rely on a well-established system of electronic records and thus could be an easy tax to collect.

            The proposal has disadvantages in that : (1) transactions could be structured so as to escape the tax (cash, trade credits, asset swaps) on very large transactions; and (2) the tax would increase business costs and thus could be presumed to increase the price of goods and services throughout the economy. The rate of price increase, however, would depend on the financial transactions involved in the production and sale of the products, since each separate financial transaction increases the total tax bill. This “cascading” effect is ultimately passed through each stage of production as price increases, as the similarity cascading turnover taxes often used in Europe are, the tax would ultimately be borne primarily by consumers.


18 posted on 05/28/2002 4:30:12 PM PDT by ancient_geezer
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To: ancient_geezer
Holy crap! You are an informed man. How far did that crazy scheme go before it was struck down?

EBUCK

23 posted on 05/29/2002 9:34:31 AM PDT by EBUCK
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