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What constitutes a couple?
The Register Guard ^ | 29 May 02 | By Jeff Wright

Posted on 05/29/2002 12:25:16 PM PDT by Glutton

What constitutes a couple?

By JEFF WRIGHT 
The Register-Guard

 

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How do you measure a couple's commitment to one another, and determine whether it's real enough to receive the government's blessing?

Those questions surfaced Tuesday at the first of four forums sponsored by the Eugene Human Rights Commission on whether the city should establish a domestic partner registry for same-sex couples and unmarried heterosexuals.

Dozens of cities from New York to West Hollywood have adopted similar registries, including Portland/Multnomah County and Ashland. Couples who sign such registries, while not legally married, become potentially eligible for a range of benefits enjoyed by married couples, from insurance benefits to visiting a partner in the hospital or jail to being eligible for family rates at health clubs.

At the Hilyard Community Center on Tuesday, Bill Northrup said he objects to the registry idea because "it gives city recognition to lower levels of commitment than those found in the covenantal contract of marriage."

But Mary Lee Turner said she married and divorced three times before entering into her current, seven-year relationship with another woman. She said she now enjoys "a significantly greater degree of commitment than I've ever experienced in my life."

Karen Lundblad said she feels proud to live in a community willing to consider such a registry.

Lundblad said she was "treated with great respect" when she lived in Pennsylvania, married to a doctor and was the mother of two sons. The high regard continued, she said, even after her husband died and she suddenly became a single parent. But others' perceptions of her changed drastically, she said, when she fell in love anew - this time with a woman.

"No longer was I invited to the parties and the board rooms," she said. "It was all quite confusing because I thought I was the same person. ... It means a great deal to me to live in a community where I dare even say this out loud."

Lundblad was one of eight people who testified at Tuesday's forum, with all but Northrup endorsing the registry idea.

One speaker, Nick Urhausen, said he believes a registry would be more politically palatable if restricted to gay couples, who cannot legally marry, rather than extended to heterosexual couples who have the legal option to marry but choose not to.

If adopted, the registry would be open to unmarried couples who live together and who indicate that they are each other's sole partner and intend to remain so indefinitely. Couples would not have to live in Eugene to sign the registry, and the registry would not require any person, business or agency to recognize the relationship.

The city so far has received nearly 80 citizen responses to the registry idea, with supporters exceeding opponents by roughly a 7-1 margin, human rights commissioner James Dean said.

The City Council must approve the registry, after a public hearing this fall, before it can become city law.

Creating the registry is only one of several proposed revisions to the city's human rights code. Other changes would extend anti-discrimination protections to transsexuals; allow people who believe they've been discriminated against to file a private lawsuit based on the city law; and create a new committee to support the volunteer case managers who help citizens reporting incidents of discrimination or harassment.

Regarding gender identity, the changes spell out "reasonable accommodations" that might be required in enforcing a dress code or allowing a transsexual to use a public or employer's restroom.

Northrup said the law as drafted "would allow disgruntled employees to cross-dress and call themselves by an opposite-gender name" with employers unable to stop the behavior. Worse, he said, the proposed law would allow people to change their identity and appearance as a ruse to gain access to opposite-sex bathrooms.

Greg Rikhoff, the city's human rights coordinator, said the work group reviewing the proposed code changes has already talked about eliminating or revising the language relating to bathroom access.

As for the suggestion that a domestic registry be limited to gay couples, that carries its own problems, Rikhoff said. The city of Ashland decided to limit its domestic registry to same-sex couples and now faces charges of discrimination from heterosexual couples who wish to sign the registry and can't, he said.

HUMAN RIGHTS CODE FORUMS

Public can comment on domestic partner registry and other proposed changes.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: benefits; monogamy; samesexcouples
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If any FReepers out there want to give the Eugene Human Right Commission, click on the link at the bottom of the article and give them your two cents worth.

Just some background not mentioned is that Eugene is a Mecca for lesbin couples. There are more here then any other smll city on the West coast.

Some have been on the city council, and many work in city government. The political environment of Eugene is waaaaaaaaaaay more liberal then most people here are used to dealing with too I might add.

1 posted on 05/29/2002 12:25:16 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: Glutton
This is simple. A couple is a male and a female. She spends all money earned by either or both of them.
2 posted on 05/29/2002 12:33:27 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Glutton
Sounds like a lost cause, I'm sorry to say. It's pretty sad when relativism is so mainstream we can't even say someone is male or female anymore -- it all depends on how they feel at the moment.

When two women dress up like two men but relate to each other like members of the opposite sex it seems resonable to me to consider they might have some emotional issues.

3 posted on 05/29/2002 12:36:39 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Glutton
cou·ple
n. Two items of the same kind; a pair.
Something that joins or connects two things together; a link.
(used with a sing. or pl. verb)
Two people united, as by betrothal or marriage.
Two people together.
Informal. A few; several: a couple of days.
Physics. A pair of forces of equal magnitude acting in parallel but opposite directions, capable of causing rotation but not translation.
4 posted on 05/29/2002 12:40:06 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Glutton
How do you measure a couple's commitment to one another, and determine whether it's real enough to receive the government's blessing?

The State has no place sactioning or licensing relationships.

It isn't a party to the relationship, and to be perfectly honest, petitioning the State for a marriage license smacks of begging a King for his permission to wed. Free people need no such permission.

But people have grown so accustomed to having the state meddle in every bit of life's affairs, that these things never occur to them.

And then, in shock and dismay, they watch as government redefines marriage to include gays, when it is they themsleves who have given the State such power.

People will never learn.

5 posted on 05/29/2002 12:41:28 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: RAT Patrol
Yuo, I'm pretty sure this will pass without major opposition here. It is legal for woment to be as toples as a man can, and discriminating against lesbian, gay and transgender people here in Eugene is against the city code.

If you call someone a nasty, be propared to have the police respond. I have seen this happen. The cops can't do anything to someone for verbiage, but they advise anyone they respond to to deal with to stifle themselves.

6 posted on 05/29/2002 12:42:00 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: freeeee
Last winter, I saw several local activists hassling a grocery store manager who had the audacity to allow a Boy Scout troop sell Christmas trees in their lot.

He walked away in disgust without any more woeds when they started talking how he was going against the spirit of the city code against discrimination.

I had to agree with his reaction. That was a bit much.

7 posted on 05/29/2002 12:45:59 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: RAT Patrol
We live in the land of the relative. Nothing on the planet exists without its relation to something else. There is no "good" without "bad" or "worse" or "better" (or "same" for that matter).

As for the emotional issues, I say, "Physician: heal thyself." Why anyone would concern themself with how two consenting adults relate to one another is beyond my ken. It's not worth your energy. You will never change how other people feel about each other. Besides--when these feelings come with commitment and love, why would you want to? Those things are good, right?

8 posted on 05/29/2002 12:46:57 PM PDT by MissMillie
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To: freeeee
What WILL they do when the Poly-Amory types show up and demand legal rights for threesomes? (or more-somes) Seriously, I know a threesome that has been together longer than many 'couples' I know. Will there be an extra benefit divided among the other participants, or multiple benefits? Inquiring minds want to know.
9 posted on 05/29/2002 12:49:26 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Glutton
Last winter, I saw several local activists hassling a grocery store manager who had the audacity to allow a Boy Scout troop sell Christmas trees in their lot.

They're were on private property, were they not?

I'd have told them to leave and if they refused, have them arrested for trespassing.

If they don't like the store's support of the Boy Scouts, they can shop somewhere else.

BTW, I support the Scouts right to free association, despite the fact that they wouldn't allow me to participate. You see, they don't allow atheists either.

10 posted on 05/29/2002 12:50:40 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Black Agnes
Poly-Amory types

LOL!

11 posted on 05/29/2002 12:51:50 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Black Agnes
Given that extending marriage benefits to same-sex couples wouldn't require re-examining any existing benefit structure (it would just remove a gender requirement while polygamous relationship benefits would require a host of new laws to cover the fact that more than one person is involved (nevermind that polygamous marriages could have mutiple arrangement configurations), I don't see how same-sex unions "obviously" leads to recognition of polygamous relationships.
12 posted on 05/29/2002 12:52:19 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: MissMillie
I am not trying to change them, Millie, so just simmer down now. You cannot force me to support them, no matter how much predictable verbal intimidation you throw my way. Try your militant tactics on someone else you have a chance at scaring. Being free to make a choice about personal relationships does not translate into my being FORCED to endorse that relationship.
13 posted on 05/29/2002 12:52:43 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: freeeee
My only problem with the BSA is the special treatment and recognition that they receive from the US government (I'm referring specifically to their Congresional Charter, but there are other issues also -- not every land-use issue people bring up about them is based on misinformation). They're a private religious institution and they should be treated as such.
14 posted on 05/29/2002 12:53:43 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
But why not? The poly's will just argue discrimination and we'll be back to where we are now!
15 posted on 05/29/2002 12:54:54 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Dimensio
I absolutely agree. If they want the free association rights afforded to private groups, they should start to behave like one - starting with returning their Congressional Charter.
16 posted on 05/29/2002 12:55:34 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Black Agnes
Poly-Amory

WTF??? Is that people with a parrot fetish?

17 posted on 05/29/2002 12:56:12 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Black Agnes
That's great. Let them explain how to turn a legal arrangement for civil benefits granted between two people into one where x (where x>2) people are involved. That means determining (among other things) inheretance rights (including tax breaks that may apply upon the death of a spouse), the means and implications of dissolving such a union, "joint" income tax preparation methods and child guardianship issues. Then of course you've got to figure out whether you have it set up so one person can marry multiple partners (ie, a man has three wives or a woman has two husbands, but the three wives/two husbands have no direct legally recognized bond) or if you consider it a "group" marriage (wherein the three wives/two husbands would also be considered married to one another and receive similar benefits). That much would be very important when dealing with the death of a spouse (especially the "main" spouse in the former case).

With same-sex couples it's just "give the exact same legal benefits afforder to opposite-sex married couples". No new laws needed.

It's funny how I've heard polygamy brought up by people arguing that it's a logical step from homosexual unions, yet I've never heard anyone seriously advocating some form of legal recognition of polygamous unions.
19 posted on 05/29/2002 1:02:06 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: RAT Patrol
Ummm, RAT, I'm quite calm, but thank you for your concern. And nowhere did I say you HAD to SUPPORT anyone. The only thing I said was while your questioning the emotional stability of these women, maybe you ought to question why it is this even matters to you.

Two adult people claim to love each other. They make a commitment, share joys and tribulations, fun and work, living space, expenses, maybe even children. There is nothing militant about it. It's what people do every day.

20 posted on 05/29/2002 1:04:04 PM PDT by MissMillie
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