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Skyline Drive Lesbian Murders (1996)(Condit-Levy)
6-17-02 | crystalk

Posted on 06/17/2002 11:16:35 AM PDT by crystalk

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To: ditter; kattracks;unknown freeper;brigette;the great satan;nautinurse;ET(end tyranny)...
whassup here? lesbians bound and gagged at Luray?
41 posted on 06/18/2002 4:08:16 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: crystalk
Well you don't look that hard. They were bound and gagged, and while I don't think it is public knowlege, they were tied with the same plastic ties Darrel had in his pickup the day he was arrested.
42 posted on 06/18/2002 4:34:58 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: SarahW
Those ties are everywhere. The fact they were bound and gagged changes the whole nature of the picture. Makes it unlikely a single perp slipped up in the dark, and was able to do all this in a tiny pup tent, with a dog watching his every move, and the other girl doing nothing to stop him?

Gimme a break.

43 posted on 06/18/2002 4:37:56 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: SarahW
OMG, with this campsite virtually AT the Lodge, and the dog there, this binding and gagging of two persons withIN a tiny tent, by one man slinking up on them in the middle of the night...the mind does just boggle.

That tends to prove my theory that the girls were brought here, already bound gagged throats cut--and dead.

Think about it, he would have had to crawl in there with them, what a tangle of arms and legs in the pitch dark. Yet he unfailingly managed to find just which parts of each to bind, gag, and cut throats, all with no appearance of a struggle, nothing to look disorderly, they were just lying neat as a pin each on her own separate sleeping bag and air matteress.

Gimme a break.

44 posted on 06/18/2002 5:23:48 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: crystalk
:shaking head:
45 posted on 06/18/2002 6:02:18 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: crystalk
If their throats were cut in the tent, there would be lots of blood there. They could have been surprized while apart (nature breaks) & bound & gagged & put in the tent & then murdered there. Where was the blood?

Where did they work/live?
46 posted on 06/18/2002 6:25:49 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: crystalk
I will take that break with you.Bloody cut throats will attract critters.
47 posted on 06/18/2002 6:50:20 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: crystalk
(How could the perp bind and gag A without B interfering?) And the dog too?

He said, "I'll get you and your little dog too!"

Give it a rest man, Daryl confessed to doing it while in jail. Is that not good enough for you?

48 posted on 06/18/2002 7:03:41 PM PDT by DemoSmear
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To: DemoSmear
Do you have a source for his having confessed?

If the amount of duress applied was anything like what was used on Covington and then, Cooper, in the Mahoney case, you could get any FReeper on the board to confess to the crime, me included. Whether they had ever been in Virginia, or not.

49 posted on 06/18/2002 7:44:21 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: Ditter
I myself am not a great authority in the case, just a skeptic about patsy-type solutions.

IIRC those facts you request are very much included in several of the standard published stories of the case easily retrieved from search engines.

They had graduated at Smith, had been living in Vermont, were from Minnesota (Williams) and Maine (Winans) IIRC, and were in process of trying to move down to DC or Balto IIRC, but do try the search engines.

IIRC there was said to be but little blood in the tent.

50 posted on 06/18/2002 7:49:36 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: crystalk
Do a search yourself. It's there and it isn't hard to find. I'm not doing your work for you. You're the one putting out this hypothesis. All I did was look into a few things. Those that want to see will see.
51 posted on 06/18/2002 8:04:07 PM PDT by DemoSmear
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To: SarahW
they were tied with the same plastic ties Darrel had in his pickup the day he was arrested.

If Darrell's last name was Condit, I could see tying this
case to scary Gary. Otherwise, I can't fathom a connection
as indicated in the article title.

52 posted on 06/19/2002 6:23:32 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: John W
What are the motives in these several cases-Caity,the lesbians and Chandra?

I don't know anything at all about these other cases. As far as Chandra Levy goes, we know for a fact that she had delusions of "stealing" Condit and settling down with him. My hunch is that she stopped taking her pills and got knocked up. Once she told Condit that she was going to have his baby, he decided that she had become more trouble than she was worth.

53 posted on 06/19/2002 6:34:10 AM PDT by jpl
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To: crystalk
Crystalk, I have no opinion whatsoever as to Rices guilt or innocence, but if you are going to be a conspiracy theorist try and get at least some of your facts straight

The camp/murder site was not "virtually AT the Lodge". It was, in fact, across (east of) the skyline drive in White Oak Canyon, at least 1/2 mile from Skyland Lodge area, which is on the west side of the north-south running Skyline Drive.

I doubt he (whoever it was) crept upon them in the middle of the night. Probably meet them during the day, followed them to their campsite, threatened them at knifepoint, then bound, gagged and eventually murdered them.

54 posted on 06/19/2002 11:00:24 AM PDT by CapandBall
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To: crystalk; aristeides; *condidit; dalebert
I just read a short item from the April 30 Washington Times that said Rice's DNA was tested for three Spotsylvania murders in late 96/ early 97. (Sofia Silva, Kristen and Kati Lisk.)

Were those the murders that produced that produced the Condit-like police sketch?

55 posted on 06/21/2002 6:21:13 PM PDT by Plummz
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They were the murders that produced the police sketch. I can't say I see a particular resemblance between that sketch and Condit. The sketch still seems to me to look much more like John Kasich.
56 posted on 06/21/2002 6:45:28 PM PDT by aristeides
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They were the murders that produced the police sketch.

I wonder if they've shown that sketch to witnesses in the Skyline case.

I can't say I see a particular resemblance between that sketch and Condit. The sketch still seems to me to look much more like John Kasich.

That's odd.

Senators tend to look a lot like each other, have you noticed that? This is a similar phenomenon.

57 posted on 06/21/2002 6:56:02 PM PDT by Plummz
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No, the Condit sketch was produced solely with respect to one murder, that of Alicia Showalter Reynolds. That suspect, a ringer for Condit in 1996, was a very professional composite for they had nearly 20 persons, IIRC all of them women, who had seen him.

The devil of it in the Lisk and Silva cases is that no one at all ever saw a suspect, or remembered seeing any suspicious person or figure around, it was just a total stumper. Those three girls, one after school yr had just begun, the others (2 sisters) soon before it was to end, were taken from their yards in lovely weather just minutes after the school bus dropped them off. Not one clue in any of them, SFAIK. Except the shaving off of pubic hair, a Conditism.

Rice would never have been capable of committing rape, much less murder, IMHO. The lesbians were not sexually assaulted, in any story I had read, nor did any struggle or ordinary common-law-defn of assault hardly, just killed.

PS: Rice has been unfairly sentenced so harshly as he was for a first offender in the Canadian-bicyclist matter, IMO.[He talked dirty, and threw a soda can which he said was empty and she said had some drink in it. He never touched her, and she said she was "run off the road" by his pickup, but this was into a nicely graded and mown, grassy scenic-pulloff area, and she was not injured. Mad as hell, though. And I am not saying wrongly, but not 11 years worth.

FTR Reynolds was killed 3-2-96; Williams and Winans OOA 5-27-96; Silva was killed 9-9-96; the Lisk sisters May 1, 1997, same day of year as Chandra (ooa 5-1-01). Modafferi on 6-23-97; Caity Mahoney slain late on 7-6-97, or just possibly early on 7-7. Rice incident with Canadian woman, OOA 7-14-97. Mirzayan slain OOA 8-21-98. Chiang slain 1-9-99.

We will know we are getting somewhere when CONDIT's DNA, not Rice's, is compared to all four of these girls, and not just to the 3 in Spotsylvania. Maybe staffers or Darrell Condit too? Where was Carolyn on those dates?

58 posted on 06/21/2002 8:52:43 PM PDT by crystalk
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In the Skyline lesbian case, a sketch was produced. This was a very sketchy sketch indeed, like a child's drawing, but seems to show a sturdy, shortish, brunet, darkish (Italian? Hispanic?) white man--probably older than Rice, 6'4" and lean, would have been then (28).

The very fair, slight Anglo-Saxon (5'10") nearing middle age in Showalter-R. was obviously not of the same man as that, and the S-R sketch was DEFINITELY OF THE PERP, while the sketch on the Skyline was just a man that desperate pleadings with hundreds, resulted in just one or two persons saying they had seen, some day that Mem-day weekend in that general area of the SNP, and may well have nothing to do with the case.

59 posted on 06/21/2002 9:07:41 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: crystalk
In the Chiang murder, a sketch was produced of the frowzy blonde that Chiang had been talking with so earnestly at the Starbucks, and later left with. This was said to be mannish and drag-like, but THAT SKETCH WAS NEVER RELEASED BY POLICE, IMHO because it was too like one or the other Condit, Gary or Carolyn.

In the Modafferi murder, similarly she had been earnestly conversing with a frowzy blonde at a coffeeshop, in that case Spinelli's, so much so that she forgot and left her paycheck behind when she left with Frowze. I have seen news reports that a sketch WAS done, and also that one was NOT done, of that Frowze, but in any event none was ever released to the public SFAIK.

60 posted on 06/21/2002 9:20:05 PM PDT by crystalk
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