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To: Copernicus
United States Passport
Page Four;
IMPORTANT INFORMATION;
LOSS OF CITIZENSHIP: Under certain circumstances, you may lose your U.S. citizenship by performing any of the following acts: (1) being naturalized in a foreign state; (2) taking and oath or making a declaration to a foreign state; (3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state; (4) accepting employment with a foreign government or; (5) formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. consular officer overseas. For detailed information, consult the nearest American Embassy or Consulate or contact the oOfice of Citizens Consular Services, Department of State, Washington, DC 20520 or call 202-647-3444.
16 posted on 06/20/2002 1:05:14 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
United States Passport Page Four; IMPORTANT INFORMATION; LOSS OF CITIZENSHIP: Under certain circumstances, you may lose your U.S. citizenship by performing any of the following acts: (1) being naturalized in a foreign state; (2) taking and oath or making a declaration to a foreign state; (3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state; (4) accepting employment with a foreign government or; (5) formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. consular officer overseas

Thanks.

Notice the exception phrase-"under certain circumstances". It would be interesting to learn the meaning of the phrase "certain circumstances"

This still doesn't seem to apply to the current case and the suspension of due process.

The government must present proof of their allegations to first, a grand jury, and second an empaneled jury at trial before citizenship can be revoked especially for a citizen born on American soil.

Further, this seems to be one more instance where the Imperial (Feral) Government has abrogated unto itself powers not defined or enumerated in the Constitution.

People need to reflect on why government, any government, is dangerous and why the Constitution was written the way it was written and why we must work very hard to keep it in good working order.

Republics are not for wimps.Strong citizens and strong values must rule. All others need not apply.

Best regards,

19 posted on 06/20/2002 6:43:47 AM PDT by Copernicus
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To: Brian Allen
United States Passport Page Four; IMPORTANT INFORMATION; LOSS OF CITIZENSHIP: Under certain circumstances, you may lose your U.S. citizenship by performing any of the following acts:

(1) being naturalized in a foreign state; Nope.
(2) taking and oath or making a declaration to a foreign state; Nope. Al-Queida is not a foreign state. It is a private organization, like the KKK, Dallas Cowboys, Hemlock Society, or the DU
(3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state;
Nope. The US gov't position is that Al-Queida is not an army of a foreign state. If they did, prisoners at X-RAY would be under the Geneva Convention.
(4) accepting employment with a foreign government or; Nope. Al-Queida is not a foreign gov't.
(5) formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. consular officer overseas.
Nope.

For detailed information, consult the nearest American Embassy or Consulate or contact the oOfice of Citizens Consular Services, Department of State, Washington, DC 20520 or call 202-647-3444.

OK, so now that your passport argument is gone, what now?

Allow me...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...

No person shall be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury...Nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, whithout due process of law...

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherin the crime shall have been comitted, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to thave the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Talk all you want about some law, or judge, or previous action. We are not at war. This creep is a citizen. He was on US soil, and above lists many of the rights he is being denied.

If it can happen to him, it can happen to you.

36 posted on 06/21/2002 10:59:59 PM PDT by Orion
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