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To: mrustow; spetznaz; LarryLied
OK. I will do it for you:

SPETZNAZ: And the strangest thing I read was this Freeper flame another person for even posting the thread…..and another Freeper who said words I will never forget: that he was ‘proud of Israel for attacking the USS Liberty because it showed the guts of Israel to go as far as attack an American ship!

MRUSTOW: You're lying. I dare you to come up with the thread and post number. I know, I know, how could you possibly be expected to go that far back ... especially to a post that DOESN'T EXIST

My Comment: You called spetnaz a liar, and dared him to come up with such a post.

Spetznaz: The link is http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/696972/posts in it you will see the people iw as talking about who are quick to jump to the ‘you are a bloody anti-Semite’ bandwagon. Some like Zionist Conspirator went into a whole thing of postivism Hellenism, juadaeo-bolshevism, avodat haqodesh, ben noachism and calls for red heifers…and at the same time calling everyone a neo-Nazi and Masonic warlocks. As for the guy who was saying he ‘respected’ the Israelis for attacking the American ship was Vbtang4 in post number 31 I believe

My Comment: Here. He has given you a link and a post # (31). What does it say?

Post 31: Save your respect for someone who has to have it....."F***" me right? The Israeli goal wasnt to kill Americans....it was to quickly disable the "spy" ship. To the Israelis, American deaths were subordinate to stopping intelligence aquired by the ship from getting back to Washington. The attack would've never come had some pussy Liberal President not woken up one morning on the wrong side of God and decided that he was opposed to the Israelis taking ground slated for them to have. Hell, I respect them that much more for doing it knowing the risks involved. LBJ was interjecting his political wishes into a situation that was about survival for the Israelis. They did what they had to do

Thus proving that he was telling the truth. The actually poster said "respect" instead of "proud". You will probably hang your hat on that. But to any neutral observer, Spetznaz was telling the truth. You called him a liar. He proved you wrong. You refuse to acknowledge that. You have not apologized for calling him a liar. You lack the basic decency to apologize for a false cahrge.

158 posted on 06/24/2002 4:47:48 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
Liberals play a game with conservatives they call "Prove it!" They laugh when conservatives waste time foot noting what they have written. When proof is offered, they never admit they were wrong but find some weasel way excuse which wastes more time or they ignore the proof completely.

Sometimes it is worthwhile, as you just did, to call them on the game however.

159 posted on 06/24/2002 5:02:43 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Rodney King; mrustow
I doubt there is a better approach to best articulate my profound thanks for stepping in concerning the Mrustow incident than saying a simple thank you. It is always a pleasure to find a Freeper who will look at the facts for what they are and come to their own individual conclusions.

Sadly there are people like Mrustow and Zionist Conspirator (by the way if you read the thread on the USS Liberty you would want to look at some of the trash Zionist Conspirator was writing….actually there were people who were initially in disagreement with what I was saying join my side when they read his comments on Ben Noachism and Red Heifers…so maybe I should be happy with him). :D.

Anyway the problem with people like Mrustow is that they hold a particular subject so dear that they automatically react in a visceral vitriolic manner whenever someone says something they do not agree with (even if that person is actually in support of their ‘cause’)! They cannot bear anyone saying anything against their ‘sacred cow,’ whatever it is….whether it be immigration, or military spending, or Israel, or the NRA…whatever is sacred to them….and without even reading the whole post/thread to get the whole picture they automatically condemn and commence with rabid unabated hostilities….almost like an animal acting on instinct!

And I want to believe that people like Mrustow are otherwise intelligent people who had a nerve ‘touched’ and thus reacted in an automatic mechanical reflex…..but there is always the chance that they just have not developed their mental intellect to an enhanced level, and due to this atrophied cerebral acumen they do not have any faculty for logical discussion (again I tell you to read the comments of Zionist Conspirator…his comments strat in post 48 in the link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/696972/posts they are simply hilarious. Actually there is a part he claims I am in cahoots with some person called John Lewey and that I had a ‘secret identity’ in some ‘other forum’ and that he would ‘reveal it’ if I did not watch myself! I really laughed at that one since I felt I was Bat Man or something….secret identity! Ha!).

Anyway I really doubt people like Mrustow have the capacity to even apologize when they make a boo-boo. Usually his ilk will try to find some ‘loop hole’ to give their weird claim credence(for example chances are he will come with some far-flung ‘point’ to justify I am still an ‘anti-semite…just as Zionist Conspirator claimed I was some ‘Helenist Positivist’ who was ‘under cover’ and trying to undermine the ‘fact’ that ‘Hashem is God’…..…and when they cannot they just stay silent and hope it will all just fade away). Anyhow such people do not really concern me since I believe my time is too precious to waste trying to converse with individuals who are too obtuse and inane to mentally support an intelligent conversation. The only reason I reply to them is so that other Freepers can see my comments, then have a look at theirs…and come to their own conclusions (and in the process see the neurotic fixation of some of the weirder Freepers out there).

And talking about weird I think I will conclude this post with a ‘gem’ of ‘literally wisdom’ from Zionist conspirator. Enjoy (I know I did):

At any rate, you say this is a forum for "conservatives." What is a "conservative?" I'm from the Fundamentalist Bible Belt, and I always thought all conservatives thought as I did. I joined the Birch Society and learned different. Whether or not I am a "conservative," I am most definitely a Fundamentalist, a Theocrat, a Ben Noach, and a "Theonomic positivist" (correctly understood). I am very sorry our country was founded by rationalist/deist Freemasons, but it was. BTW, I'm watching you guys on that other forum, so be careful what you post there. Just a friendly word of warning! Thank you. P.S.: Know where I can get a red heifer?

There is a LOT more from him….reading his posts were pure comedy.

160 posted on 06/24/2002 5:30:25 PM PDT by spetznaz
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To: Rodney King; mrustow
And by the way i really do not need an apology from Mrustow! Why? Other Freepers looking at this thread will look at his posts, and then compare them with mine, and they will come up with their own conclusions regarding the mental state of such people like Mrustow (just like you and several others did). That si the reason i posted replies to Mrustow...not to convince him otherwise or to extract a retraction from him for calling me an anti-semite...but to ensure that other Freepers can look at the posts and come to their own conclusions. I have actually won over people who had initially been in disagreement with me once they so the silly arguments of some Freepers (a good example is how Zionist Conspirator made ppl join my 'side' on that USS Liberty post).

Would i want an apology from Mrustow? Honestly it really would not matter to me...although his silence (and denial that i 'never posted a link') obviously shows he is either selectively blind or that he is either a juvenile (in age or mental capacity) or that he simply abhors being wrong! Actually i myself hate being wrong....however i remember several times on FR i have made posts that were not accurate...and i PROMPTLY apologized and retracted my posts! Why? Because it is not only the right thing to do but it is the sagacious and mature thing to do.

However you cannot expect everyone to act in a mature proprietous manner...some are only capable of spouting forth baseless curses of 'anti-semitism' and the like.

And one should not get angry with them. After all if someone is having a pavlovian reaction (from the experiments Pavlov did with those dogs where they would respond to certain stimuli 'automatically' by salivating) what can you do? You gave them (people like Mrustow and Zionsit Conspirator) certain 'stimuli' and thus they 'salivated' by automatically calling people names!

And even if you provide factual evidence they will either ignore it, or find another 'thing' to say! Same thing with Pavlov's dogs....even after the food was no longer provided they still salivated at the sound of a bell!

And by the way...knowing i am correct (and other Freepers noticed this) is better than getting an apology from some types! And i was right.

161 posted on 06/24/2002 5:48:11 PM PDT by spetznaz
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