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To: LarryLied
This can be lawyered to death but I prefer to use common sense. Something is definitely amiss. Our government sure thought so. Israelis are allies and they have juice. We don't hold Israelis for almost 3 months for no good reason. We're not dealing with Abdullah Ibn Abbas types from Karwackostan.

Good points. I agree that this is altogether suspicious, but there's just not enough here to explain what was going on, let alone prove it. There is obviously much, much more to this story than this article presents. The quotes from named sources, like Vince Cannistraro and Paul Kurzberg's lawyers (semi-named) are helpful, but there are a lot of red flags, like copious quotes from anonymous sources, that demand circumspection.

If these guys actually were Israeli spies tasked with "launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area", Israel must be running out of talent, because real Israeli agents tend to be pretty good at staying out of the limelight, would not be stupid enough to attract attention to themselves on 9/11 (an extraordinary feat of stupidity unto itself) and would sure as hell have had a better cover story or means of evasion if discovered. Also, these guys don't seem to have handled their arrests and detainment very professionally.

Whenever espionage is involved, it is often difficult for journalists to nail anything down. Sometimes unidentified "sources" are absolutely truthful, sometimes they are flat out lying, and sometimes they are made up by unscrupulous writers looking for a scoop.

I agree that common sense (as uncommon as it is) is a valuable tool for analysis, and definitely should be applied here. Common sense precludes jumping to conclusions based on speculation and innuendo, both of which are abundant in this article.

Hopefully, this 20/20 piece will cause more details to shake out, and perhaps some corroboration -- ideally the videotape -- might follow as well.

Imal

44 posted on 06/21/2002 10:29:52 PM PDT by Imal
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To: Imal
Have you notice what an anomaly this story is on Free Republic? I've been here 4 years and probably read a few thousand controversies. There is a usual give and take. Not so with this one. When it first was posted in the fall, a group of people descended on the thread charging those who put the slightest credence in the account with being antisemites and Nazis. Freepers who wandered into the discussion not all that interested and without fixed opinions were cruelly mocked for saying anything but that the story was false. There was a full scale assault before those waging the assault could know what really happened.

That is what got my attention. Before that, I rarely replied on threads about Israel.

The fierce reaction to the story is as interesting as the story itself.

49 posted on 06/21/2002 10:42:37 PM PDT by LarryLied
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