Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Ban The Penny
Forbes.com ^ | 7/5/02 | Mark Lewis

Posted on 07/05/2002 12:07:25 PM PDT by GeneD

NEW YORK - Almost a year has passed now since U.S. Rep. Jim Kolbe made headlines by introducing his anti-penny bill, yet these pesky one-cent coins continue to jingle uselessly in people's pockets. Can nobody rid America of this copper-coated scourge?

Kolbe, an Arizona Republican, is doing his best, although his proposed Legal Tender Modernization Act is languishing in a subcommittee. The bill would not ban pennies, but merely discourage their use by establishing a system under which cash transactions would be rounded up or down. That would render the penny unnecessary.

"It's practically useless in everyday life," complains Neena Moorjani, Kolbe's press secretary. But the penny has its fans, especially in Tennessee, which is rich in zinc. Up until 1982, pennies were made mostly of copper; since then they have been 97.5% zinc, with a little copper mixed in for appearance's sake.

Just last week, two lawmakers from the Volunteer State introduced a resolution commemorating the 20th anniversary of the zinc-based penny. Fans of this coin note snidely that Kolbe's home state of Arizona is rich in copper--which makes up a bigger percentage of the larger-denomination coins that might be more heavily used if the penny were discontinued. Kolbe also favors replacing paper dollar bills with longer-lasting $1 coins--and as it happens, the Sacagawea "golden dollar" introduced two years ago is made mostly of copper.

Moorjani stoutly rejects the suggestion that her boss is shilling for his state's copper interests. "Our office has not spoken to the copper industry in Arizona about this issue at all," she says, referring to the Legal Tender Modernization bill.

Be that as it may, Kolbe's proposals are only logical. Several other nations have eliminated their small-denomination coins without going to wrack and ruin in the process, and Canada managed to replace its dollar bills with dollar coins. Yet many Americans recoil from the idea of losing the penny, and they have responded to the golden dollar more by admiring its image of Sacagawea than by using it to buy things.

Still, the U.S. Mint considers the new dollar coin a success. "America seems to really like the coin, despite what people might read to the contrary," asserts Doug Hecox, a Mint spokesman. If they tend to hoard it rather than spend it, that just means they value it, he says: "Their inaction speaks louder than words."

After producing more than a billion Sacagawea dollars, the Mint temporarily halted production earlier this year. But Hecox says that was due to the economic slowdown, which affected demand for all coins. Now that a recovery seems to be at hand, the Mint soon will consider putting Sacagawea back into production, he adds.

The Mint never stopped producing pennies, however, recession or no recession. Last year it stamped out 10.3 billion of them, and through the first five months of this year it put another 2.5 billion shiny new pennies into circulation. Meanwhile, Kolbe's bill molders in some congressional cubbyhole. The ban-the-penny movement lives on (it was featured on one of last season's episodes of The West Wing), but the pennies keep mounting up.

Perhaps the University of Pennsylvania's prestigious Wharton School could take the lead in studying this issue and determining which course makes the best economic sense. That would only be appropriate, because this school originally was endowed by Gilded Age industrialist Joseph Wharton, who got rich by cornering the market for nickel and then persuading Congress to create a new coin made exclusively of metal from his mines.

More than a century later, the nickel is still with us, but these days it contains more copper than nickel. Chalk up another win for Arizona. Now, if Kolbe and company could just get Congress to drop the penny, they would introduce some real sense into America's currency.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: coins; copper; jimkolbe; pennies; sacagaweadollar; tennessee; uscurrency; usmint; zinc
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-52 next last

1 posted on 07/05/2002 12:07:25 PM PDT by GeneD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: GeneD
Why do I think this is nothing more than a scam to increase sales tax revenue by forcing all prices to end in a 5 or 0. As we know, prices would always be rounded UP and not down, these seems like a way to increase prices and thus sales tax revenue.

And what kind of wacky ass math and pricing schemes would need to be implemented to assure that even after sales tax all prices would end in a 5 or zero?

2 posted on 07/05/2002 12:09:05 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
I think we should mint the 99-cent coin. Have you noticed that all kinds of prices end in ".99"?
3 posted on 07/05/2002 12:09:42 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
, but merely discourage their use by establishing a system under which cash transactions would be rounded up or down.

Sure. They'd be rounded up like everything else.
Keep the pennies.
They're all the tax collecters let us keep!

4 posted on 07/05/2002 12:10:45 PM PDT by concerned about politics
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
the nickel is still with us

The Canadian nickel has real nickel in it. It also appears to be made of an asteroid that slammed into earth long ago.

The zinc penny might be useful if the municipal power goes out since you can make an electrical battery out of it. You will need several to get significant power.

5 posted on 07/05/2002 12:13:13 PM PDT by RightWhale
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
Interesting, isn't it, how the money-changers at the Treasury couldn't even keep their hands off the lowly copper standard--they had to turn a penny's weight of copper into a disk of worthless zinc.

After Ronald Reagan goes to his final rest, I'm going to propose the issuance of a pure copper penny bearing his likeness. I think Reagan, a child of the Depression, would most certainly approve.

No one's asking why you never saw penny trays on 7-11 counters until after the 1970's. Just keep clicking your heels and repeating: "There is no inflation, there is no inflation ..."

6 posted on 07/05/2002 12:20:31 PM PDT by SteamshipTime
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD; All
Thanks everybody for your two-cents worth!
7 posted on 07/05/2002 12:22:32 PM PDT by Minutemen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
The last thing I'd want to do is give the postal service one more reason to raise the postage stamp price.
8 posted on 07/05/2002 12:23:32 PM PDT by dutyhonorcountry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
Pennies are useful to throw at "spangers" --those able-bodied, dreadlocked, pierced and tattooed high school/college-aged kids that sit in front of the McDonalds (with a help-wanted sign in the window) on the 16th Street Mall in Denver or the mall in Boulder and beg "Hey dude, ya' got any spare change man?"

"spangers" = spare change (rs)

9 posted on 07/05/2002 12:24:38 PM PDT by Drew68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kalashnikov_68
And let's not forget how useful they are, when thrown out your car window by the handful into the street, as you are passing a long line of homeless guys... ;0)
10 posted on 07/05/2002 12:32:11 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
I wish they would get over that "dollar coin" thing, nobody wants it. How many times have you actually gotten one of those Sacajawea coins in change. They look good at first, but they turn to a dull crappy color real fast.
11 posted on 07/05/2002 12:39:35 PM PDT by Husker24
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
Ban the paper dollar. Keep the penny.
12 posted on 07/05/2002 12:40:01 PM PDT by Petronski
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
One alternative to banning the penny would be to consider a 'reverse split' of the $US, like an unfortunate 'penny' stock.

Presuming a 1 for 10 rollback, the penny would again be worth what it was during Eisenhower's Presidency.
13 posted on 07/05/2002 12:41:55 PM PDT by headsonpikes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
Personally, I hope they don't do away with the penny. If they do, I won't know what to do with our backpack full of pennies. Durn thing's so heavy I can barely lift it.

I've been too embarrassed and lazy (lazy because I don't want to go through the bag and check that none of the pennies is of interest to collectors; it'd take a week!) to haul it off to the bank for them to count. It's all the pennies my wife and I ever tossed into a jar throughout our lives, plus all the pennies her parents and her grandmother ever put into a jar. I'm not kidding, it's a HUGE pile of pennies. Couldn't believe it when I first saw it.

14 posted on 07/05/2002 12:52:18 PM PDT by LibWhacker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
but merely discourage their use by establishing a system under which cash transactions would be rounded up or down.

this is my favorite part of the no penny movement. They're idea for how to phase it out. All this method would do is drive accountants insane. Try figuring out how profitable it is to carry item X when the price you charge for it fluctuates wildly depending on how the customer is paying and what other items the customer buys (ie their pre-rounding subtotal). Absoulutely brilliant idea... if you hate accountants. I happen to be friends with a number of accountants, I think the idea sucks.

15 posted on 07/05/2002 12:52:35 PM PDT by discostu
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #16 Removed by Moderator

To: GeneD
America seems to really like the coin, despite what people might read to the contrary,"

I have NEVER received one in everyday commerce. I could buy on eat the bank, if I were interested but I do not see them in use at all.

I was looking at the "change" tray at my bank just the other day and noticed that while all the rows of coins were stacked neatly and in profusion -- the $1 slot had only 4 coins in it. The teller did not offer one to me when I cashed my check.

When you do auto banking, you won't receive one either because coins are prohibited from being exhanged via the vacuum tubes.

17 posted on 07/05/2002 12:56:11 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeneD
Sure, raise the price of everything four cents. What are you thinking?
18 posted on 07/05/2002 12:57:08 PM PDT by mysterio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
I won't know what to do with our backpack full of pennies.

Aha! YOUR family is responsible for the coin shortage! :-)

19 posted on 07/05/2002 12:58:00 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: afraidfortherepublic
...because coins are prohibited from being exhanged via the vacuum tubes.

Foget I wrote that! I meant to say that coins are prohibited from being DEPOSITED via the vauum tubes. The cashier will still send a few coins back to you when you cash a check -- but you still won't get a $1 coin -- you'll get a paper dollar.

20 posted on 07/05/2002 1:02:40 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-52 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson