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Under Fire, US Modifies Objections to Global Court
New York Times/REUTERS ^

Posted on 07/11/2002 9:14:34 AM PDT by milestogo

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To: Jagdgewehr

21 posted on 07/11/2002 12:18:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: lowbridge
It's a given eventual eventuality.
Populace...we're against it.
Political...we'll get around to it, eventually.
Like when the sheep go back to sleep.
If they don't we'll sneek it by them anyway.
22 posted on 07/11/2002 12:21:56 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: lowbridge; Uncle Bill; Paul Ross; kattracks; JohnHuang2; Ronneil; MizSterious; Askel5; Betty Jo; ...
Thanks for the ping.

Bush caves again. Was Bush really planning to cave all along and just wanted to make it appear he was putting up resistance? I will bet the socialist Colin Powell at State was giving Bush and Rice plenty of advice on how to be duplicitous to the public about the ICC.

The discussions have centered on the US military peacekeepers but are there hooks in the ICC that will leave US citizens vulnerable to world government and UN dictates?

This is incrementalism at its best- Slowly take bites until there is no more left to US sovereignty and Constitutional guarantees. Bush and Congress are gutless at best, and treasonous world government advocates at worst.

Two months ago Bush announced his agreement with Putin for the US to share US star wars missile defense with the Russians and to jointly develop the technology with the Russians. Bush and Putin set up a joint committee to do this. During the 2000 Presidential campaign and shortly after his election, Bush announced that he planned to offer the Russians joint operations of missile defense with the Russians.

Since there has been no vote by the people or Congress on transferring US star wars technology to Russia, Bush actions in this regard are illegal and tantamount to treason in my opinion. If Bush proceeds with joint operations with the Russians this would also be dreadful and treasonous in my opinion.

Senator Shelby's aid on defense matters confirmed to me in June 2002 that the US was working directly with the Russians on developing star wars missile defense and that Shelby’s constituents in Alabama were complaining about it. Yet nothing has been done by Congress to protest the move by Bush.

The White House announced last month it was taking steps to block the Congress from learning details of US missile defense testing. Yet this same testing data is the data eventually to be shared with Russia but not Congress! This is another example of why I believe this is illegal and treason.

My opinion is based on public statements made by Bush Senior and GW Bush over the years is that this is being done to establish a world government. I was also told this by nuclear scientists at Kirtland AFB when they offered me a job on star wars development( I declined because I object to sharing the tech with Russia) as far back as 1983. I wrote articles in 2000 about this for FreeRepublic.

The ICC cave in by Bush and his transfer of star wars to Russia together paint a picture of either a weak fool or a treasonous and duplicitous world government advocate who does not care about US sovereignty or citizens freedoms. I am sure Colin Powell at the socialistic State Department is helping dupe the American people on the ICC too.

23 posted on 07/11/2002 12:35:46 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: philman_36
Please see reply #23. Thanks.
24 posted on 07/11/2002 12:38:02 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: milestogo
Wobble, again.
25 posted on 07/11/2002 12:43:23 PM PDT by Aim small miss small
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To: Tacis
Please see reply #23. Thanks.
26 posted on 07/11/2002 12:44:14 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
All that is new is old.
Nothing changes.
27 posted on 07/11/2002 1:20:22 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Movemout; Carry_Okie
This is what it is about. Post #6
28 posted on 07/11/2002 3:04:35 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: milestogo
But nearly all speakers countered that the treaty had more safeguards than any tribunal of its kind. The main one is that the court can only step in when countries are unable or unwilling to bring perpetrators to justice.

These 'speakers' are knowingly disengenous. There is no way this organization won't be swiftly morphed into an anti-capitalist anti-American witch-hunting society which will be routinely calling for trials of American and allied policy-makers. If GWB caves on this, surrendering our sovereignty to this Kangaroo Court, he will be rewarded with the same fate that is awaiting Bill Clinton...trial as a war criminal.

29 posted on 07/11/2002 3:05:18 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: OKCSubmariner
Bump!
30 posted on 07/11/2002 3:06:04 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: B4Ranch
Yup.
31 posted on 07/11/2002 3:14:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: B4Ranch
Some days you just get tired.
32 posted on 07/11/2002 3:27:46 PM PDT by Movemout
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To: Djarum
You win the Cynical Insight of the Day Award.
33 posted on 07/11/2002 5:06:20 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: Tacis
You got that right, but it's most horrible aspect is that individual citizens will eventually be tied before it. Arrested in the USofA, held for years in a Turkish prison, or a Russian prison, or a Saudi prison, there is no Writ of Habeous Corpus, no charges need to be filed, if you win your case they can arrest you before you leave the court room and try you again for the same offense, after years of waiting that is.
34 posted on 07/11/2002 8:47:42 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Movemout
I am tired of being totally disgusted with politicians who have stifled the truth from being known. Maintaining self control has been a major chore in my life.
35 posted on 07/11/2002 9:09:06 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: milestogo; Digger; michellcraig; Jagdgewehr; Cacophonous; Benson_Carter; TheBigB; RANGERAIRBORNE; ..
Please read post #6 This is what it is all about!
36 posted on 07/11/2002 9:16:55 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Benson_Carter
Clinton signed the treaty, Bush has withdrawn the signature. This is about the ICC claiming jurisdiction even over those who are NOT signatories.

Based on the current situation, a full year immunity will just postpone the inevitable confrontation, but it will be to our advantage to postpone it considering the fact that we're in the middle of our own war.

37 posted on 07/11/2002 9:26:28 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: B4Ranch
Thanks for the heads up!
38 posted on 07/11/2002 10:37:04 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: McGavin999
This is about the ICC claiming jurisdiction even over those who are NOT signatories.
The most troublesome aspect of the whole thing. Bears repeating!


Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

39 posted on 07/11/2002 11:13:42 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: michellcraig
Absolutely. Bush should be impeached and removed if a single US citizen is subjected to this. I don't care if Bush were otherwise the greatest president in US history.

Let's be clear: This is NOT merely a war tribunal. This world criminal court can decree that owning a gun is terrorism. It can decree that cutting a tree without UN permission is an act of 'war' against humanity via the environmnet.

This kangeroo court, nothing like a US court, would have unfathomable power.

40 posted on 07/12/2002 2:48:09 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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