I think the reality is that we dont know, and each of us has a bias that determines how we interpret these phrases. As the author said, But at the mysterious periphery of the communion of saints, it's difficult to see what God is up to, so the Church doesn't presume to judge.He who is not against us is with us.The Good Lord casts a wide net, doesnt' He?
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