Gunboat scare a test for security

Charleston Post & Courier ^ | 7/16/02 | Tony Bartelme

[Nam Vet]

Gimme a good ol 'Swift Boat' anytime (PCF - Patrol Craft Fast) Twin 50 cal. turret and a piggyback 50 cal -Browning/81mm morter astern. What they call firepower.
http://swiftboats.net/

Nam Vet

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"I saw this and thought about you. Is this the kind of work you are doing?"

What I do is stand a radio watch on the Coast Guard base.
I'm in the Coast Guard Auxiliary but am Coast Guard trained and qualified to handle
all radio and phone traffic to the base.
If a boater is in trouble on my watch, I'm the 1st voice they here.
When I am on watch a regular Coast Guard member is free to do other duties.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

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[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

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[StopGlobalWhining]

What if, as a result of the Navy denial of ships in the area (a la TWA 800), and the fact that they weren't flying a flag, the Coast Guard just blew those ships out of the water?

Isn't that what they should have done? If those ships were terrorists, perhaps we'd have another USS Cole type incident to talk about tonight.

[hedgetrimmer]

Bumping for the Coast Guard!

[Nam Vet]

Could you post this for me Bud?..http://members.aol.com/swiftboata/3.jpg..Thanks in advance,

Nam Vet

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Could you post this for me"

Here you go Brother.

[Nam Vet]

Thanks. Yer a true Gent.
Not only a Gentleman and a Scholar, but a fine Judge of Beautiful Women and Good Whiskey! Heh Heh ;)

Nam Vet

[Travis McGee]

The Mk V fits into a Galaxy with inches to spare. Nice boat, but after my time. (Drat.)

[piasa]

It is a helluva nice boat and given the apparent response time in the article I'm afraid they could have completed whatever they might have set out to do. And this was in broad daylight, with the boats not even trying to be discrete.

The Charleston County Sheriff's Office and the city of Charleston Police Department launched helicopters. The Charleston and North Charleston police departments and the Department of Natural Resources all launched their boats.

... and Barney Fife with his lone bullet in his pocket.

I can picture the DNR paddling to catch them right now.

We need to pay more attention to the ports. Some more sightings like this and maybe people will perk up.

You would have a blast in one of those boats.

[Travis McGee]

The 80' long Mk V boat is not designed to close with the enemy for gunbattles. It is designed to deliver SEALS from far over the horizon to a point some miles off of a coast, where the SEALs get into their raiding craft, usually "zodiacs", rubber boats with outboard motors.

In the terrorism context, the delivery boats are not meant to be seen at all, but just to drop their Islamikazi crew off "over the horizon". The terrorists then use GPS etc to home in on the nuclear power plant or other target in small nearly invisible (at night) rubber boats.

And terrorists will not use anything as splashy as a Mk V, they will use a fishing boat etc.

[piasa]

The boats they mentioned here were described as four 40-footers.

It is true that terrorists won't be using anything as nice and sinister looking as a MK V. Being stealthy isn't always neccessary, though. Sometimes obvious is better. Use the expected to do the unexpected.

Civilian ships- and ports- are accustomed to flotsam and jetsam type of craft around them, and so there isn't a need to be stealthy to approach. The terrorists can easily afford the kind of craft to get in close, IF people aren't more suspicious. Figure out the routine and mimic it, and you can go just about anywhere.

Or there's Port Access Plan B. Hire a stripper from the local terrorist watering hole and entertainment center, and have her drape herself across the deck of a small boat in a manner sure to interest a mariner. Fly a large US flag. Add some fishing rods. It would be like being given the key to the port... the locals might escort you in close but the last thing they would suspect is Islamic terrorism.

[harpseal]

Before 9/11 the local USCG Auxillary units used to help the New London Naval Base with security checks. The civilians were the agressors and in six exercises the Navay lost a nuke boat to the civilians. This was over a several year period. This was a submarine base. Now when it comes to tankers and chemical transport ships and bargessecurity is far lower.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[Travis McGee]

Let's just hope the camel jockies don't go maritime.

[PJeffQ]

SC DNR Enforcement agents are all Deputy US Marshals...
(mainly because they enforce Federal wildlife laws as well as state ones)

[dixie sass]

Something is terribly wrong when the OOD or the CO of the Naval Weapons Station is unaware that four military vessels like that are in the area. Because of the Navy's inefficient behavior there could have been lost of life.

What is these boats had come up river and approached an area guarded by Marines with orders to shoot to kill?

What if one of the Coast Guard Units had fired on and blown up on to the boats.

How stupid!

[dixie sass]

Amazing isn't it. They forgot that we have guarded our bases and service personnel for so many decades that it is ingrained. They protect us and we protect them. It's worked well.

One thing that bothers me, is that on the way to the Wpnsta, there is one or two tank farms (fuel) I can't remember how close to the river they are, but North Charleston just wouldn't be the same if they went up. Goose Creek either with the lng place. Or the chemical factories up river and close by.

The above is all public knowledge.

[PJeffQ]

The tank farms are pretty close to the river... the Hess one is near Westvaco near the 526 bridge... (the Army Depot was originally located across the street from Westvaco... one of the original buildings is still there... before it moved to the Wpns Station..)

[dixie sass]

Yes, correct. I remember when one of those tanks blew up when I was a little kid. We heard it all the way out to James Island.

Oh, by the way Jeff, are you coming to the meeting Saturday?