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Tour de France-Day 12-A Tragedy, A Triumph, A Whisper of Drugs
Austin American-Statesman ^ | July 17 | AP

Posted on 07/17/2002 12:56:41 PM PDT by concentric circles

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To: Cagey
Last year at this stage, I'll be surprised if Lance won't take the yellow jersey after tomorrow...

O V E R A L L   S T A N D I N G S
Pos.

Name
Nat.
Team
 
Time
1 169 SIMON François FRA BJR en 45h 34' 09"
2 074 KIVILEV Andrei KAZ COF à 11' 54"
3 107 O'GRADY Stuart AUS C.A à 18' 10"
4 001 ARMSTRONG Lance USA USP à 20' 07"
5 021 BELOKI Joseba ESP ONC à 21' 42"
6 031 MOREAU Christophe FRA FES à 22' 21"
7 011 ULLRICH Jan GER TEL à 22' 41"
8 024 GONZALEZ GALDEANO Igor ESP ONC à 23' 34"
9 157 SEVILLA Oscar ESP KEL à 24' 07"
10 151 BOTERO Santiago COL KEL à 25' 52"

21 posted on 07/17/2002 2:05:44 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: RoughDobermann
Yeah, he needs the team to be strong now. It's ONCE vs. USPS, the mountains will decide the winner. Go Lance!
22 posted on 07/17/2002 2:08:53 PM PDT by drew
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To: stylin_geek
My longest ever commute was in the SF Bay Area - 24 miles and change each way from Fremont to the shadow of the Oracle building in Redwood City. The afternoon / early evening winds could be brutal, especially on the Dumbarton Bridge crossing.

I was at the height of my racing form then (about 10 years ago). Weighed 162 pounds and was rail thin. Now I'm 190+, fat (by that comparison, anyway) and slow. Rode with the California Pedaler bike shop team. Most of us were Cat 3 and Cat 4 masters. Biggest difference between Cat 3 and Cat 4 was bike handling. Believe me, the safest palce in a Cat 4 criterium was either off the back or off the front.

My racing days are long over, now. I'm too busy working and turning ammunition into skill.
23 posted on 07/17/2002 2:09:48 PM PDT by Noumenon
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To: RoughDobermann
Also, one needn't be coy to preserve energy riding in the pack, protected from the wind, vesus riding at or near the lead and bucking the elements, using the precious reserves of strength needed in a three week competition.

(Note to self: nice save, not using the phrase "breaking the wind" and starting a whole new tangent.)
24 posted on 07/17/2002 2:12:50 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: RoughDobermann
...but he did average a cadence of 120
Lance seems to keep very high cadence during his time trial. I never understood why. Anybody know?
25 posted on 07/17/2002 2:22:44 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: concentric circles
You know, something just occurred to me. It seems that coverage of the Tour de France, where an American has a good chance of winning, has received minimal press coverage compared to the coverage of the World Cup - where the American team had absolutely no chance of winning. Is it me? Should I get fitted for a tinfoil hat? Has anyone else noticed a difference in coverage?
26 posted on 07/17/2002 2:25:28 PM PDT by Prolix
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To: Toidylop
Lance seems to keep very high cadence during his time trial. I never understood why. Anybody know?

Surprisingly, the higher cadence uses less energy (because you are in a lower gear than if you were pushing 90 or so at the same speed) It is also easier on the knees to spin faster.

27 posted on 07/17/2002 2:32:12 PM PDT by Aeronaut
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To: Aeronaut
Hah!!! I need to show my wife why I'm not lazy on the pedals. Just a smart way to burn the "extra" energy faster
28 posted on 07/17/2002 2:43:13 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: stylin_geek
Ooo Rah!

I used to ride about 25 miles a day round trip, in my uniform and combat boots, and then spend 8-10 hours a day being a jet engine mechanic in the Air Force. It wasn't the nice, flat city streets in Las Vegas, either. Road up Bonanza to the top of the street, then along the back roads to the back gate of Nellis. Did that every duty day for about three years.

Cyclists are girly boys...yeah, right.
29 posted on 07/17/2002 3:05:28 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Toidylop
Lance's style is a very high cadence. He has an amazingly high VOmax which lets him stay aerobic at pedaling efforts which cause other riders to go anaerobic.

This means that he is cruising at a manageable effort, at a speed which causes other riders to dig into their reserves to keep up, and building up fatigue poisons (lactic acid) in their muscles.

Look at the hurt he put into Jan Ullrich at Alpe d'Huez last Tour, even though Jan was arguably the biggest real threat in that Tour after Lance.

But nothing is for certain, Lance depends on his teammates for protection until the climbs, for shuttling food/water, as bodyguards to keep him away from crashes. No one can win the Tour alone.

30 posted on 07/17/2002 3:20:01 PM PDT by Big Dan
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To: concentric circles
the U.S. Postal Service rider

Is this why I'm paying $0.37 per letter now?

ML/NJ

31 posted on 07/17/2002 3:49:11 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Toidylop
He's turning the pedals in anger now and has opened up a gap on everyone!

MAN am I glad that I have OLN. Ligget's comments are priceless!

32 posted on 07/17/2002 3:57:51 PM PDT by PrairieDawg
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To: PrairieDawg
OLN rocks!

Phil and Paul are awesome. Too bad old Bob Roll isn't with 'em for the Tour. His commentary during the Giro was pretty good, but his commercials were classic.

I heard a rumor that Bob was arrested in the airport upon arrival for the Tour last year, anyone else hear that?

Go Posties! Go Lance!
33 posted on 07/17/2002 4:06:30 PM PDT by Weimdog
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To: Prodigal Son
MIG, ARC some TIG. Certified for MIG, Aluminum pipe, also MIG full penetration structural. Nasty test, dual shield 3/32 wire, 1 1/2 plate, one edge beveled, horizontal, inclined just enough so the weld will not fall out when making a pass. 3 root passes, 5 cover, wait 20 minutes, another 10 passes or so, let cool, finish welding. Not to mention all the chipping and cleaning after each weld. Did a lot of welding with 7018 and Jet Rod. Never had to be certified for stick, though.
34 posted on 07/17/2002 4:25:28 PM PDT by stylin_geek
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To: Noumenon
I weigh around 165, and wind is brutal for someone my height and weight. (6'3") Although I did get a laugh when I had some guy go by me in a head wind, he probably out weighed me by about 50 to 60 lbs, but when we headed up a hill, in a cross wind, I caught him and dropped him like a bad habit.

You know, that is a darn good commute...especially around SF. Wow.

35 posted on 07/17/2002 4:31:16 PM PDT by stylin_geek
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Well, I would imagine if you went in for your annual physical when you were in, you probably raised some eyebrows with your heart rate and blood pressure. Also, so much for PT, I would think.
36 posted on 07/17/2002 4:41:52 PM PDT by stylin_geek
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To: Weimdog
Weimdog,
Hi. It appears that Bob will be with the rest of the crowd before the end. OLN's website says:


Bobke Goes to Tour de France!

Have no fear, your fearless Bobke is actually going to France on Saturday, July 20th to contribute in his own indomitable fashion for the last and best part of this year's Tour de France.


So he'll be there soon. Just in time for the mountains...

FRegards,
PrairieDawg
37 posted on 07/17/2002 4:44:53 PM PDT by PrairieDawg
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To: stylin_geek
Mostly MIG and Arc myself. Couldn't never get the hang of TIG- just wound up burning up my gloves. I welded from the time I was 18 till I was 24 when I joined the Army. After the Army (2001) while living in N. Ireland I did a little stint doing some MIG welding for a small manufacturer in County Fermanagh. Like riding a bicycle (you never forget) except they had these new fangled hoods that I never had worked with- you could see through the shield when you weren't welding, then when you began to arc it went dark. I didn't realize at first that it had sensors and was reaching up and over something to weld and inadvertantly covered the sensors up- face shield was no longer dark. Scratch head, try again a couple of times. Blistered my eyes pretty good- a thing I had done exactly once when younger and decided never to let it happen again (pain is a good teacher) but that new fangled hood threw me. You live you learn.
39 posted on 07/17/2002 5:04:35 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: stylin_geek
Yep - the old power-to-weight ratio'll get 'em every time.
40 posted on 07/17/2002 5:13:59 PM PDT by Noumenon
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