CONSERVATIVES TURN ON ASHCROFT

Drudge Report ^ | 07/23/2002 | Matt Drudge

[truefrankness]

how come nobody explains why we all ran and defended mcveigh, and oppossed the anti terror legislation then,,,,you remember----general partin,,,,the fake bomb,,,,the reichtag fire analogy

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but now we totally give in to what ever they say?...there are even more questions about 9-11 then about OKC....sure, we got lindh as a scapegoat and he looks funny,,,,so?.....so what's with it....ashcroft said before he killed mcveigh that they had been investigating his claims right up to the execution.....THERE IS NO "ARAB CONNECTION".....NO ARABS IN OKLAHOMA....then we find out they had been training in norman. oklahoma all that time AND THEY KNEW IT....but now we are silent. now its O.K. why is that? it is really important to me to know

[Arleigh]

The hysteria on this site over what amounts to a Neighborhood Watch program is, well, hysterical.

Yeah, and so was all the fuss over what amounted to a little oral sex between consenting adults in the Oval Office, or what amounted to a few pardons for nonviolent victims of the judicial system, or a few going-away gifts from admirers, or some campaign contributions from Asian-American businessmen....

[jwalsh07]

Yes. It is not a legitimate federal power.

AH,I see. You want them to call the local 911 number, who then calls her boss, who calls the local police chief who calls the Major who says screw it and has another drink at the topless bar.

Kaboom. Oops, too late.

[jwalsh07]

Yep.

[Jhoffa_]

The hysteria on this site over what amounts to a Neighborhood Watch program is, well, hysterical.

Could we at least agree that:

1) Your "rap sheet" or whatever should be cleared if you aren't "guilty" of whetever the tip pertained to?

2) If you make a false report (I mean in anger, not an honest mistake. That could happen to anyone) that you should have to take your lumps for it?

[southern rock]

As I said above, show me, where in the constitution, the federal government is granted the power to run a federal neighborhood watch program.

You can't? I'm not surprised. It's not in there.

[jwalsh07]

All it will take to volunteer is a telephone or access to the Internet as tips can be reported on the toll-free hotline or online. Information received will be entered into the national database and referred electronically to a point of contact in each state as appropriate. This is not a national 911 center, and callers are expected to dial 911 for emergency local response

Isn't this the duty of every American citizen in a time of war?

[Brad’s Gramma]

I have a severe problem with Ashcroft okaying using private citizens to spy on Americans

I am SOOOOOOO glad that the Sheriff in O.C., CA didn't feel this way last week.

[sinkspur]

Please show me, where in the constitution, the federal government is granted the power to run a federal neighborhood watch program.

We're at war, sr. But, you're the same guy who thinks I can't stop a falling-down drunk from getting in his car and driving away.

You're clueless.

[terilyn]

"If the NYT attacks Ashcroft, it means he's doing a good job. His standing with me just went up."

Excellent!

My nomination for post of the day. (#34)

[sinkspur]

Yeah, and so was all the fuss over what amounted to a little oral sex between consenting adults in the Oval Office, or what amounted to a few pardons for nonviolent victims of the judicial system, or a few going-away gifts from admirers, or some campaign contributions from Asian-American businessmen....

You mistakenly posted to me. You need RJCogburn, so you and he can lick your wounds over Clinton.

[CWRWinger]

Tough

What is that suppose to mean?

What you don't realize is every time Presidente Bush thinks he's strengthening the security of this nation with things like TIPS, he is actually weakening it and placing us in a very dangerous position. He is generating an environment in which radical elements will thrive. If these radical elements get out of hand, Bush is not a strong enough leader to correct the situation.

And the end result will be worse than anything we have now.

[Sabertooth]

I am SOOOOOOO glad that the Sheriff in O.C., CA didn't feel this way last week.

I think you're missing the point. Operation TIPS wasn't simply about getting people to report suspicious activity... it went too far. It was basically an attempt to use mailmen, repairmen, and deliverymen as a means of an endaround the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.

Overall, I like Ashcroft, but Operation TIPS is a bad idea.

That's not what this article is about, though... it's about Grover Norquist.

[southern rock]

We're at war, sr. But, you're the same guy who thinks I can't stop a falling-down drunk from getting in his car and driving away.
You're clueless.

I'm clueless? You are the one claiming that we are at war when we are not. We're not you know.Seriously, look it up.

Now I ask you again, please show me, where in the constitution, the federal government is granted the power to run a federal neighborhood watch program.

[Lancey Howard]

...the NEW YORK TIMES is planning to report...(etc.)...

Why does Drudge do this?
Doesn't he realize yet that by posting anything puked out by the DNC through one of their main surrogates, the Gray Old Whore, he is tarnishing his own reputation?

[Fred Mertz]

Ashcroft has disappointed me immensely, and I was such a staunch supporter of his early on.

I now know there is no real hope in going back to our founding fathers' America. I was hoodwinked.

[Redhd2]

Did someone take a poll or did the NYT go out and do "man on the street" interviews until they could find the "many" they were looking for?

Good blunt question. I'm always skeptical of these dim, indefinite, indistinct, murky, nebulous, obscure "many" who are quoted by someone trying to manipulate public opinion.

[mia]

This article is totally without substance. Who are these conservatives? We don't let FReepers get away with this type of journalism. It's garbage journalism.

[LanaTurnerOverdrive]

Reading through this thread makes me realize how low on some people's priority list liberty is.

Indeed. Ashcroft slowly marches us toward a police state and Conservatives pat him on the butt and happily play along. Disgusting.

And for those of you FReepers who rely on Democrat tactics when you have no argument, I'll spare you the herring:

LanaTurnerOverdrive signed up 2002-07-01.

[Swanks]

NYT knows the AG must go after Citi and JP Morgan now - and that gets too close to their boyz Clinton and Rubin. As well as all the flying-monkey Dem slaves that enable them for a spot at the trough.

So they're out early with the first of many pre-emptive stikes against Ashcroft in order to make him the story not the crime within Citi and the Dem party.

Just like having pre-written funeral stories of famous people in-the-system there's no doubt they've got hit pieces like this ready made to counter the forthcoming bad newz.....