Bugs: The Best Witnesses? (Westerfield's Son Neal Forced To Testify By Desperate D.A. Dusek!!)

Court TV ^ | July 25, 2002 | Harriet Ryan

[Krodg]

I haven't had time to search everything yet but here is one article for you. I think Feldman brought up the Pitches motion again after the vacation but I don't know which officer was involved. Still checking.

[the-gooroo]

Thanks a bunch Krodg. I may have misunderstood what they were talking about on CTV. It seems from this article there was a prior incident of falsifying info for search warrant. I thought it was a prior incident of planting evidence. I guess we wait til Monday to find out what it's all about.

[clearvision]

Comments on your current idea:
No evidence in SUV (taking her to RV and then from RV to dump site). Pretty daring/stupid to go to RV (visible from kitchen window). Headlights? Lights on in RV? Noise? Why bother going the RV at all?

Comments on timeline in general:
Another problem is if he went to get the RV at 7:00am or so is what did he do with her? Leave her in his house? Take her in daylight to RV storage spot? She would have still had to been alive to put the fingerprints in the RV.

If DW did this, maybe he went to pick up the RV for his planned trip and when he got back to the house early that morning Danielle was out wandering around (would explain why he there is no evidence he was in Van Dam house).

Of course none of these are the way the prosecution has tried to show the events occurring.

[cyncooper]

Holes anyone ?

I don't think this is what happened. He arrived at Keith Sherman's around 8:15 Saturday morning to pick up the MH.

DW could definitely get on Keith's property undetected, but moving the MH is a different matter. Then, why would he return it in the wee hours then come back for it a couple hours later------Wait--cover-up and alibi? But that still doesn't give him much time.

As redlipstick pointed out, her hair was in his master bedroom.

Glad to see you're reading the transcripts.

Here is Westerfield's interview with Det. Redden:

http://courttv.com/trials/westerfield/docs/police01.html

[VRWC_minion]

I'm sorry to be so graphic but if he raped and murdered her in the motor home, I think it would be very bloody and I think it would have taken him much longer than an hour to clean up himself and any evidence.

Why would it be bloody ? I would imagine any blood came from penetration of her vagina and she was probably suffocated. A relatively small amount of blood might be on him and that is what fell on the floor.

Based on the ME report there is no reason to assume lots of blood.

[VRWC_minion]

Hair matching Danielle's was found upstairs in his room, on the sheets.

Thanks I will read it. FWIW, do you whether the size of the MB bed and the RV bed are the same ?

[VRWC_minion]

Even if the MH sheets were washed with the RV sheets the hairs were transfered. There being no other evidence, i.e blood or fingerprints it is possible she was never in that room.

[VRWC_minion]

So your theory is at 3:00am he abudcted DVD he went to Shermans with DVD,

So far so good.

& she was still alive, put her in the MH and drove somewhere ,

Stop, no. He didn't drive anywhere with the MH. He raped and killed her right there. The moved her to SUV, drove to Dehesa and the return home to shower and act as though he was home all night

What about all the fibers in DWS house???

Transfered via Westerfield by sleeping in bed for short nap and before shower when he returned home that AM and/or transfered by washer/dryer.

[Doc Savage]

The Kool-Aid Crowd aside, a review of the trial to date demonstrates that:

1. No person or evidence can prove that DVD was actually abducted.

2. No person or evidence can place DW inside the VD residence at any time.

3. No person saw DW with DVD following the theorized "abduction".

4. No one has proved to an absolute certainty that DVD was murdered or how she was murdered.

5. No person or evidence has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that DW abducted or murdered DVD.

6. No person or evidence has proved that DW dumped the body of DVD.

So Kimchee, cyncooper and the rest of you thirsty Kool-Aid drinkers, adjust your tin-foil hats, run Norton Clean-Sweep to make sure there's no porn on your hard drive, and prepare yourself for either a hung jury or an acquittal.

[VRWC_minion]

No evidence in SUV (taking her to RV and then from RV to dump site).

Ok, but I thought there were some fibers that mathced something in the back ?

Pretty daring/stupid to go to RV (visible from kitchen window). Headlights? Lights on in RV? Noise? Why bother going the RV at all?

According to the testimony by the grandfather/owner, Westerfield at arrived at RV Sat am and no one knew he was there until grandaughter started talking to her. My explanation as to why he went there is because, first I don't think he ever returned home before the abduction because the light in back yard was on. The scenario would be he stops on side street and/or the empty home, enters house, takes girl to auto, then heads to RV. The RV bedroom would be a great place to control and may actually be safer than the homes these folks live in. My guess is the homes in this development were closer than the RV is to the house.

So, he arrives near the RV. He turns out lights as he gets close. He covers girls mouth and/or stuffs somthing in it. He takes her in RV, rapes her, suffocates her, the he removes her to his SUV and dumps her in a place that is as far away as he dares drive so he can be back home by sunrise.

Comments on timeline in general:
Another problem is if he went to get the RV at 7:00am or so is what did he do with her? Leave her in his house? Take her in daylight to RV storage spot? She would have still had to been alive to put the fingerprints in the RV.

You missed the scenario. He only takes her to RV long enough for sex and killing. After that he drives her to Dehesa

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[VRWC_minion]

DW could definitely get on Keith's property undetected, but moving the MH is a different matter. Then, why would he return it in the wee hours then come back for it a couple hours later------Wait--cover-up and alibi? But that still doesn't give him much time.

I must not have been clear. I don't think he moved the RV at all. Sequence = Abductuct to SUV to RV to SUV to Dehesa to Home.

If Westerfield did this he did it within a short period of time (as most sexual assaults are) and he didn't have possession of her or her body for any length of time. He is too anal to have a body around and the passion that motivated him to abduct her and kill her would have played out in a short few hours.

I also think the RV would have been a safer and less obvious spot then for him to take her to his home where if it was found she was missing he might get caught from a house to house immediately after.

The natural reaction would be to run and hide with the girl. So, he runs and hides with her at the RV storage place.

[EllaMinnow]

I see what you're saying.
It's making a lot of sense.

[VRWC_minion]

One thing to add to my all night scenario. I just found on this page of statement with Westerfield that he said he didn't remember getting home, that's how bad it was.

I find this interesting in two ways. First, if he was that drunk he wouldn't have likely gotten up so early.

Second, it might have been the truth. He may not have been home until the AM. Because the back light was on from at least 10-11 pm and still on at 2-3 am its not likely he came home.

If not, then assuming he abducted her he may not even hve parked his auto at home. It could have been on side street that divides them or in empty house's lot.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

"Hair matching Danielle's was found upstairs in his room, on the sheets."

Incorrect - the testimony classified them as "similar". Similar is not even a match...just that they looked kinda the same. Much like one blue shirt would be similar to another blue shirt. I don't believe any conclusive tests were done to determine if it was DEFINATELY, 100% Positive, Danielle's hair. "Similar" leaves room for reasonable doubt.

[cyncooper]

I must not have been clear.

Yes, you were clear.

I just prefaced my statement that DW could and did enter Keith Sherman's property with the statement about DW not being able to actually start up and move the RV undetected to be clear that I was *only* referencing DW going on the property and entering his MH.

[cyncooper]

Now that you've outlined your theory a bit more, I see what you are saying. Something to ponder. Thanks.

[Freedom2specul8]

Did you notice that no one mentioned to the jury that particular quote about him not remembering his drive home?

[VRWC_minion]

Did you notice that no one mentioned to the jury that particular quote about him not remembering his drive home ?

I haven't read much more than a day's worth of the trial. What importance do you think this would have to the jury ?

[Doc Savage]

I love the way you VD sychophants linger over such trite and meaningless points. You spend hours debating the merits of "similar" hairs, unlocked doors, who danced with whom, how many "actual" porn pics were on the hard drive. But not one of you VD apologists can answer even one of my points. How could you? You're much too busy dicussing bugs and fibers, or throwing a hissy fit about certain Freepers. You people need a life. A real life with some honest perspective. I've heard of mental masturbation, but you people have raised it to an artform.

As I said, get prepared to howl and gnash your teeth in agony when the verdict is a hung jury. Yes, I can imagine that several members of the jury are quite similar to yourselves and would eagerly vote guilty, but surely there will be at least one sane individual willing to stand on principle and say that he has not been convinced of DW's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

I fear your noble cause is doomed! Therefor, you are doomed! Kind of a gloomy prospect when you had such great expectations of a slow and painful execution. Ah well, that, as they say, is how the cookie crumbles.

[185JHP]

As JJ posted a long time ago,the only established crime is improper disposal of a human body. She could have been given a drug overdose, walked outside and been grabbed by a goblin - plenty living in the area - who took her body to Dehesa. Or,blunt trauma administered to her by UNSUB/S. No evidence tying DAW to any wrongdoing! A googol of speculative nothings of no probative value add up to nothing. "He put *ketchup* on his grits that morning! And he *never* does that!"