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To: TC Rider
Two years ago a young stud decided to try to park his Mitsubishi 3000 under the rear of my 1987 Suburban while we were stopped at a red light. The score was: Suburban - $125.00 for a bumper, Rice burner - $?????.?? (totaled). There were six in the Suburban, I was the only one injured. I tightened my arms and got a little sore neck out of it. I saw him coming and yelled to the rest of the family to drop and they all did. I did have to use 4WD to pull off of the hood of the wreck. It is amazing what a Drawtight hitch with an insert in the receiver will do to the grill, radiator, hood, firewall and windshield of a nice red (little) car. That was how far under us he was. Now, someone try ot convince me that an SUV is not more crash worthy than a rice burner.

We just bought our second Suburban, a 1999 model and you got it right, it also has a Drawtight hitch and insert already in place. I drive the 1987 model to work and Mrs SLB and the kids drive the 1999.
19 posted on 07/30/2002 10:01:17 AM PDT by SLB
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To: SLB
Sounds familiar. A friend of mine got tapped in the rear end of his Silverado at a stoplight by someone driving a shiny new Audi. His bumper was slightly scratched, while the Audi's bumper/grille was crunched and either the radiator or one of the hoses was punctured.
22 posted on 07/30/2002 10:38:49 AM PDT by steveegg
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To: SLB
It is amazing what a Drawtight hitch with an insert in the receiver will do to the grill, radiator, hood, firewall and windshield of a nice red (little) car. That was how far under us he was. Now, someone try ot convince me that an SUV is not more crash worthy than a rice burner.

Your accident illustrates one of the problems with vehicular safety that happens with vehicles of various sizes on the roads. The mass of the vehicle is one thing, and the height of the vehicle is another. The higher chassis of SUVs allows their frame to override the frame of smaller, lower cars, and "spear" the passenger compartment.

What's clear in all of this discussion is that the larger the disparity in size on the roads, the more likely that an "unbalanced" accident (i.e., large vehicle vs. small vehicle) will result in injuries and death to the passengers in the smaller vehicle. This study tells me that the most dangerous cars are going to be the lower-quality small cars; so one of the things that needs to be done is to raise the safety standards for those vehicles.

One of the arguments for higher mandated CAFE standards is that they would "compress" the vehicle size range, leading to an increase in overall safety. That isn't going to happen, so there will have to be advances in other areas. One potential advance would be side impact curtains (version of air bags), but that still won't help a passenger in a small car if the frame of a big car pushes into the passenger compartment. Clearly the most dangerous accidents now are side-impacts, so another facet of this would be to target dangerous intersections (easily determined by accident statistics) and modify them to reduce the chances of side impact collisions.

It's like reducing auto emissions pollution; 10% of the cars contribute 90% of the pollution, so vehicle testing programs for all cars are a big waste of money. Cameras that sample emissions and notify drivers of polluting cars that they are in violation are much more effective. Likewise, to improve vehicle safety, the main focus should probably shift from the vehicle to the intersections that are poorly designed, which leads to bad accidents. I expect that it's probably also a 10-90% situation, where about 10% of the intersections cause 90% or so of accidents with major injury or fatality.

23 posted on 07/30/2002 10:41:49 AM PDT by cogitator
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