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I did hear an interesting tidbit today...which is...the Bush Adminstration has directed ALL line supervisors etc. to make sure every "i" is dotted and every "t" is crossed in order to give NO reason for the enviros to file suit, thus keeping the court system out of the area of making policy. Guess they didn't get the message that they were supposed to WELCOME these lawsuits.

Most people on the line aren't the USFS staff lawyers, are they? I'm talking primarily about FSEEE.

Anyway...will log off now. I think this is not an area in which my perspective is welcome or appreciated. You see, I am married to one of those US FLorist Service people. And he IS one of the good ones......as are most who work here with him.

I am more familiar with "your perspective" than you realize. I am a forest landowner in California. If you had seen as much stupid injustice out of regulators as I have, outright fraud on the part of agency biologists, the predetermined "consensus opinons" of "stakeholders" over roadless areas, snag removal, or burning regulations ALL with the blessing of USFS bureaucrats, you would understand what I am telling you. It's too bad for your husband that he has to tolerate the paperwork and can't do his real job, but unless he puts that job on the line over principle, I don't want to hear about it. People in private industry (including me) have to do that too, and often at far higher risk than civil servants. I have risked my life for my forest. I have dropped my carreer to fix the regulatory problem and I may never see a dime for it. I'm sorry you feel as you do, but I don't often see that kind of commitment out of the employees of State agencies.

****It's too bad for your husband that he has to tolerate the paperwork and can't do his real job, but unless he puts that job on the line over principle, I don't want to hear about it.****

How convenient. You know, you may have had a very bad experience with many bureaucrats...but that doesn't make all gov. workers bad. And, considering he's done his part to HELP people, to fight fires, been shot at by enviros, cut into spiked trees, and put HIS life on the line to protect those who could give a rat's tush for HIS safety, I'll be sure to pass on your Thanks.

No offense, Carry, but he is 4 years away from retirement ....and HE deserves some THANKS....and appreciation. It's funny.......how hated he (as a USFS employee) is from ALL sides.
Not all government workers are evil. And your over-generalization is sad....really sad.

I am sorry you have had nothing but negative experiences. That is truly unfortunate. I mean that sincerely. But I think you are painting ALL as bad... for the actions of some. I am a native Oregonian. I've lived thru most of the experiences you discuss. But that didn't poison me against ALL....for the actions of some.

Oh......that's right. You didn't want to hear about it. Sorry.