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Proofs of Evolution Examined - Answers to my Evolutionist Friends (excerpt)
www.creationism.org ^ | 4-20-2002 | Thomas F. Heinze

Posted on 08/07/2002 3:02:38 AM PDT by prisoner6

Answers to my Evolutionist Friends  ·   by Thomas F. Heinze


This is the book I am working on now. Would you like to help?
If you find a mistake, let me know. If you think of things I
should have added, tell me. Whatever! Your comments do not
have to be favorable, but try to make them helpful.  (4-20-2002)

Answers to my Evolutionist Friends
Proofs of Evolution Examined
by Thomas F. Heinze

 The theory of evolution gave credibility to atheism because it seemed to provide a scientific foundation which atheism had lacked. Before the theory most people believed that God had created. Many really wanted to believe that there was no God, but it was difficult to be a convinced atheist with no logical explanation at all for matter and life. Where did they come from? Evolution was embraced by many because it provided an explanation: a bridge they could cross over into what seemed to be a fuller understanding of the life that surrounded them without having to involve a Creator. The bridge of evolution was erected on a number of seemingly sturdy pillars of scientific knowledge, each one of which inspired faith in the whole theory.

In the intervening years, a lot of water has washed over these pillars and swept them all away! The shaky old bridge still stands as a religious or philosophical belief system to be clung to by faith, but the seemingly compelling "scientific proofs" which once gave the theory of evolution its credibility have been proven false by subsequent discoveries. This has not been the tragedy to the theory of evolution that one might think. The reason?

--   During the time when it really seemed scientific, the theory attained the status of the sacred religious/scientific tradition taught almost exclusively in the world's schools.

-- The pillars were not all swept away at the same time, so new ideas replaced the old. In this way there was always something an evolutionist could believe in.

As we look back now, though, we see that virtually every evidence which brought people to believe in evolution was based on false facts. As you will see, many of the facts which have long been known to be false are still found in many of today's school books.

The pillars

What are the false ideas that herded people into the evolutionist fold, the pillars that upheld the theory which were swept away by later scientific discoveries?

--   Each evolutionary step moves ahead from a previous step. Go back far enough, and you run out of previous steps.
--   Spontaneous generation: Given the right environment, life just comes about from chemicals.
--   A cell so simple it could happen by chance.
--   The inheritance of acquired traits.
--   Normal variations between individuals chosen by natural selection were the principle mechanism of evolution.
--   Missing links exist. They will soon be found.
--   Evolution happens today. The peppered moths were dark colored and changed to light.
--   The many vestigial organs proved evolution to be true.
--   Comparative anatomy is evidence for evolution.
--   Embryology: The embryo in the womb retraces the stages of its previous evolution.
--   Uniformitarian Geology: Erosion, and sedimentation have always taken place at more or less the same rate as is average today. It was believed that great floods and other events that would deposit many layers of sediment in a short time had not happened.



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Posting this for fellow FReepers who like to discuss, argue, rant, whatever.

What you see here is an excerpt from a fairly long webpage. I found a lot of it interesting and well thought-out, although I am not in total agreement with the author.

Here's another link to the website.

CREATIONISM/EVOLUTION?

Have fun folks.

prisoner6

1 posted on 08/07/2002 3:02:38 AM PDT by prisoner6
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To: prisoner6
Information suggested lacks serious comprehension of biology, genetics, chemistry, physics, paleology, statistics, and evolution theory and fails to utilize present known information in all these areas.
Yo dude. Get a doctorate in medicine and then sit down with a good book like Eugene. O. Wilsons', On Human Nature, or Dawkins', The Selfish Gene, or Carl Sagans', The Shadow of Ancient Ancestors. Read the Bible and take every mention of the lord or God out of the text. Then you will begin to gain real wisdom.
Sorry guy but if you pray to God to save you where no doctor can, then you failed in life twice.
If you come to me I will give you the best shot at curing the incurable just like Jesus Christ, except better. Just one problem for you. I find the cures through evolution and it works 100% of the time in predicting stealth infection where the medical profession has totally blundered. I got a pill and you got a God. My pill will beat your prayer to God 99.999% of the time.
You see with the technology we have now we can cure many diseases that have been overlooked. Surely the great majority of arthritis, autoimmune disorders, heart problems are within reach now as infection problems never seen before. To find them you must know evolution. To get treatment you must look at the evidence and understand how we predict disease through evolutionary prediction.
What this means is with the advent of a whole new field of medicine which is the study of sub-acute chronic stealth infection you are about to be given a choice. You can choose evolution and be saved or stay with your God, your contemporary physician and your sorry education and drop dead... literally.

Take my hand and be saved...
Or stay with your God and die... painfully.
Human revolution is, after all, a painful process.
Believe in what you can't see but know is there and alive, or believe in what is not there and chase phantoms and die. The majority of medicine is fraudulent phantoms, shadows of the real. If you chase the phantoms you die.

Evolution works.... always. 100% And it is my God. It allows me to do what none of you can with your God. When you get sick and no one can help you... I'll be waiting with my God and I will give you the life or death choice to make.

2 posted on 08/07/2002 4:05:02 AM PDT by MedicalMess
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Dear MedicalMess: That pill you were talking about - Where can I get that pill? It doesn't cost much, does it? Does it come in generic?
3 posted on 08/07/2002 4:20:55 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: prisoner6
I've seen evolutionists spout that their theory doesn't work against the bible, because it doesn't give you a timeline. But the one argument I've never heard anyone answer is, if all life and matter exploded from a thimble full of matter and over billions of years planets, stars and eventually life formed, who made the thimble full of matter?
4 posted on 08/07/2002 4:24:11 AM PDT by Mean Daddy
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To: prisoner6
Uniformitarian Geology: Erosion, and sedimentation have always taken place at more or less the same rate as is average today. It was believed that great floods and other events that would deposit many layers of sediment in a short time had not happened.

Merely a starting point for geologists. We know for a fact that local floods do occur and they deposit sequences known as turbidites. Do a little more research.

5 posted on 08/07/2002 4:38:48 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Agreed. Uniformitarianism only talks to the processes not the rate of sedimentation. What a load.
6 posted on 08/07/2002 4:52:32 AM PDT by doodad
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To: MedicalMess
Wow, what a scary post.
7 posted on 08/07/2002 5:00:45 AM PDT by ladyrustic
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To: Mean Daddy
That's why I think the Creationists make a mistake in assuming that evolution = atheism. Evolution does turn some of the most mundane aspects of the Bible (like the adding up of the years since creation to yield a 4000 year old planet) into fables. But when people say that their understanding of evolution is not un-Godly you should take them at their word. Many physicists and biologists feel that the more they learn about the universe the more beautiful it becomes.
8 posted on 08/07/2002 5:01:24 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: All
bmp for later
9 posted on 08/07/2002 5:02:02 AM PDT by OldDominion
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To: Ken522
Standard antibiotics.

Will be using a three group set of about 30 total of the 170 antibiotics available.

First group consists of primary hitters across all major oral antibiotic families. Second group is a backup to the first. The third group are miscellaneous rare families for cleanup. No intravenous antibiotics will be used. No hospital stays required. This will all be home therapy with blood tests every two weeks unless adverse effect dictates otherwise.

Antibiotics will be used two and three at a time in synergistic combinations already established in treating acute infections in emergency room treatments. We always use generic. Most regimes will run 8 to 12 weeks instead of the usual 7, 10 and 14-day dosing.

Costs depend on how screwed your body is with "normal flora" also known as sub-acute chronic stealth infection endemic to a particular population or geographic region. Cost to get rid of Lupus is about $1500. Annual cost to keep Lupus and play games is $11,000. Now spread this over 20 years. Pay $1500 and feel great and probably be cured, or $220,000 suffer and die. Think in terms of what you would pay a lawyer to keep you out of jail for a murder that you didn't commit. Cost is irrelevant because without health you have no life. However it is always more cost effective to eliminate an infection rather than the cost of trying to live with it. Usually it is anywhere from 10 to 300 times more cost effective to bomb the body than live with bacterial death.

The key is not the pill. The key is knowing which pills to use for what and that is the research I do. We are not only after identifying the disease that no one else has seen, but then also theorizing treatments based on all available references available on a disease.
10 posted on 08/07/2002 5:07:01 AM PDT by MedicalMess
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To: Mean Daddy
I've seen evolutionists spout that their theory doesn't work against the bible, because it doesn't give you a timeline. But the one argument I've never heard anyone answer is, if all life and matter exploded from a thimble full of matter and over billions of years planets, stars and eventually life formed, who made the thimble full of matter?

Hmmm. Who made the thimble maker? Might we have more than one thimble maker?

11 posted on 08/07/2002 5:10:07 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: MedicalMess
Cost to get rid of Lupus is about $1500.

You are going to destroy many sacred cows (and profiteers) along the way. Bravo!

12 posted on 08/07/2002 5:12:53 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: MedicalMess
Good, Lord, Man. ...Talk about "Physician, heal thyself". ...You're a real piece of work.
13 posted on 08/07/2002 5:16:47 AM PDT by Ranger Drew
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To: Mean Daddy
if all life and matter exploded from a thimble full of matter and over billions of years planets, stars and eventually life formed, who made the thimble full of matter?

Well, that much has nothing to do with evolution. It's also a horrible attempt at summarizing the Big Bang theory, but the best answer science has to offer as to the ultimate origins of the universe is "we don't know".
14 posted on 08/07/2002 5:38:48 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: *crevo_list
Fresh meat.
15 posted on 08/07/2002 5:41:22 AM PDT by Junior
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To: ladyrustic
No... Scary is running the numbers.

In the USA there are about 285,000,000 people of which 120,000,000 already have chronic conditions mostly due to infectious diseases of which at least 99 out of every 100 will not get proper treatment.

The question then becomes: How long will it be before our society, as a whole becomes so sick that the economy collapses?

In 1975 our country was #1 in medical care. We are now #37. If the US medical establishment is not turned around immediately and proper treatments applied you can kiss the country goodbye within 15 to 20 years. We will be too sick to fight wars or report for work. You will find out what it is like to be a third world power. Worse, you will find out what civil war is like in your own town with today's military technology.
And you know why...; because you believe in God instead of evolution. It is this superstition together with an unwillingness of Americans to do hard core research that keeps this population chasing phantoms in medicine instead of direct causes. People treat their symptoms instead of the infections. They take homeopathic compounds to treat system deficits and go in circles for years. They let doctors scare them away from antibiotics because they might disrupt the normal flora. What do you think is killing you?

Bacteria have been around since 3.4 to 3.7 billion years. They were here a billion years before the first DNA cells came into existence around 2.4 billion years ago. They have numerous ways of out flanking your immune system while they carve you up on the inside. You want to see arthritis? Go check out the 53 pathogen species in Wheeless Textbook of Orthopedics... and that's just a starting point.

I can do what no doctor in the entire United States know how to do because I truly understand evolution and why this leads to sub-acute chronic stealth infection which is the source of the vast majority of autoimmune disorders.

Folks... Diabetes type II is a contagious infectious disease.
Fibromyalgia is contagious infectious disease.
Scleroderma is contagious infectious disease.
Ankylosing Spondilytis is contagious infectious disease.
Antiphospholipid Antibody Syndrome is contagious infectious disease.
Reiter's Syndrome is contagious infectious disease.
Gout is contagious infectious disease.
Systemic Lupus Erythematosus is contagious infectious disease.
Peripheral neuropathy is contagious infectious disease.
Multiple Sclerosis is contagious infectious disease.

And this is all true because I have their research papers and we tested the data to prove it true with actual human guinea pigs. And I'm guinea pig #1.

The reason why you keep buying their crap is because you believe in God. You believe in miracles. You're a sucker.

Those of us on the other side know what you really are; a number in a giant pile of numbers, a statistic, a piece of meat from which to make a buck. You are an insignificant nobody. Once you understand this then you can decide if you want to stay that way or become something more.... and that's evolution. That's what separates the foot soldier from the general or a town clerk from an Inspector General. This is what separates those that would take the antibiotic to get better and those with denial that take their Omega 3 and Vitamin E tabs.

Do you want to live ten or twenty years longer and without pain..... productive..., happy? It starts with the understanding that every institution that you ever trusted exists only for the purpose of benefiting themselves usually at high costs to your own welfare. Hey... you've been screwed!!

Evolution means the AMA has been so engrossed in pushing their propaganda through the front door that they didn't see those of us at the back door with their papers in hand ready to show the public on video tape their lies because we want to make a buck. Not only that, I suffered for forty years at their hands so its real personal.

So when the whole population starts to go down and your family needs medical help, are you going to be the one who gets sold the slick ad or will you let me sell you their documents with the identified pathogens for the diseases that they covered up? Will you let me sit on your case with my hand picked doctors to solve your problem and take their business from them? That's evolution too.


16 posted on 08/07/2002 7:02:07 AM PDT by MedicalMess
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Cost to get rid of Lupus is about $1500. You are going to destroy many sacred cows (and profiteers) along the way. Bravo

We think it is staph... we're not sure yet. It's definitely a bacterium. Some people treated with antibiotics have now been without symptoms for over ten years. My rashes, eye and heart symptoms were knocked out as of September 1998 after eight weeks of treatment of my own design. There has been no return of Lupus symptoms. I believe that it initially starts with another pathogen and the Lupus symptoms are a secondary infection in addition to the original that must be present. Evidence indicates that if the first pathogen is suppressed then the Lupus can go into remission because of the interaction between the two pathogens. Ergo, there is more than one way to go after this disease. Taking out either pathogen causes the Lupus complex to collapse.

17 posted on 08/07/2002 7:33:25 AM PDT by MedicalMess
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To: prisoner6
Several articles to check

U.S. News and World Report joins in the evolution onslaught

15 ways to refute materialistic bigotry

Hope these help. Put on the flame retardent, and go for it. I am a through and through creationist (young earth at that.)

18 posted on 08/07/2002 8:06:55 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: MedicalMess
My God, man...I am suitably impressed. Actually, "awed" is a better term. Have you published yet?
19 posted on 08/07/2002 3:18:44 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: MedicalMess
an unwillingness of Americans to do hard core research that keeps this population chasing phantoms in medicine instead of direct causes.

This needs to be said over and over! Cut out pure research and you cut your own throat.

You folks like your little Postie-Notes? A chemist in the 1950s was doing pure research and discovered a nifty adhesive for which there was no use at the time. 3M paid the man and shelved the product until they discovered a use.

Or how about wireless cardiac telemetry units that can monitor grandma while she's walking the floor with her grandchildren. The space-race gave us that invention.

I'm not even sure we will be a tertiary power when the rest of the world fills in the cracks we are missing with our "morality" and budget cuts.

20 posted on 08/07/2002 3:28:48 PM PDT by Aracelis
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