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Propaganda: Nobody Does It Better Than America.
Texas Mercury ^ | Paul Weber

Posted on 08/08/2002 9:00:42 PM PDT by enrg

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Found this the other day.

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1 posted on 08/08/2002 9:00:42 PM PDT by enrg
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To: enrg
American propaganda, however, is much cleverer.

Yeah, it's cool being cleverer, ain't it? ;0)

2 posted on 08/08/2002 9:03:37 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: enrg
"Now, most libertarians or otherwise thoughtful people will react with dismay when told that most of their fellow human beings react so unthinkingly to sock-you-in-the-gut emotional propaganda. Unfortunately, most people are not capable of really thinking things out."

Nota bene, libertarians. Nota bene...

3 posted on 08/08/2002 9:16:31 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: *libertarians
bump
4 posted on 08/08/2002 9:21:52 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: enrg
The pioneers of advertising—a truly loathsome bunch—learned early on that
people would respond to purely emotional appeals.

They learned from the masters: government.  WWI was the first
to use propaganda massively as part of the war effort.  The
method of appealing to emotion more likely had its genesis
in the hellfire and damnation preaching found in nineteenth
century churches.

Once you realize that advertising is lies,
you are on your way to surviving in this culture.

5 posted on 08/08/2002 9:23:37 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: enrg
A great piece which unfortunately is going to make a lot of people here have to change their underwear.
6 posted on 08/08/2002 9:28:59 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: enrg
"Comments?"

Once more, let me recommend John Taylor Gatto's The Underground History of American Education, linked on my profile page. Best $30 you'll ever spend. Eight chapters are online.

7 posted on 08/08/2002 9:30:10 PM PDT by toenail
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This is a wonderful propaganda piece. Notice that the author spends half the article demonizing Hitler, then immediately goes into demonizing Roosevelt as being evil for going to war with Hitler.

The best propaganda mixes truth with the lies, and he does this very well. I've got a flag on my truck. Interestingly enough, nobody told me to put it there, nobody forced me to put it there and nobody better try to take it off there. I put it there for one reason. You screw with one of us, you screw with all of us. As a Cowboys fan, I even found myself rooting for the Giants for a weekend.

The concept of Bush "whipping" us into a war frenzy is absurd. I STILL want to send two sidewinders into the dome of the rock and then see how many of those lizards we can take out when they slither out from under their rocks.

Those SOB's attacked us on our soil. This moron would sit there trying to "understand" them until they shoved a nuke up his *ss and hit the detonator. I don't want to understand them. I want them to understand that on September 11, 2001, they made the worst mistake they could have made.

I'd be thoroughly ashamed that this guy is from Texas, except I have no shame left, knowing Ma Richards and LBJ are also from here.

8 posted on 08/08/2002 9:45:49 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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The REAL masters of propaganda are liberal democrats and the mainstream media. They make Hitler look like an amateur.
9 posted on 08/08/2002 10:09:18 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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The most masterful piece of propaganda I've seen lately is the Republicrat "Leave No Child Alone" schooling law.

"Increase local flexibility," as long as they meet the fedgov's demands (wink wink). "You're perfectly free to do whatever you want, so long as what you want to do is what I want you to do."

Masterful propaganda. Fer the chillun.

10 posted on 08/08/2002 10:34:06 PM PDT by toenail
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To: enrg
Well, it was an interesting piece on propaganda. However I fail, as did the author, to make the connection seemingly impplied of some government agency or figure and our going to war with the Islamists of the ME.

Methinks this entire article is slight of tounge. It seems quite clear to me that a majority of the American people are disappointed in our governments foot dragging and waffling as regards our enemies ... rather than being hoodwinked into action not natural to their desires.

Joe sixpack really wants to nuke Mecca. Or at least take over the oil fields and allow the house of Saud to return to their camel humping heritage. If GWB nuked Bahgdad the true emotions of most of us would be most sucinctly described as .... relieved and gratified.

These are common sense realities. Just the facts, mam. If anyone is slinging propaganda it is the mind control spewed by the left, ceaslessly augering for the 'do nothing' approach.

GWB may think he needs to sway us to his way of thinking but the reality is that we are way ahead of him wondering why he is so god damned slow.
11 posted on 08/08/2002 10:34:31 PM PDT by mercy
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To: enrg
Well, if you are going to do something....do it right. For all the things to love or hate about the USA...I thank God almost every day that He let me be born here.
12 posted on 08/09/2002 12:19:22 AM PDT by Selara
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To: mercy
Joe sixpack really wants to nuke Mecca. Or at least take over the oil fields and allow the house of Saud to return to their camel humping heritage.

I'll assume Joe sixpack sits on the right side of the fence. What if there was Jason pre-mixed-can wanting diplomacy instead (left side)?. Who do you appease?

GWB may think he needs to sway us to his way of thinking but the reality is that we are way ahead of him wondering why he is so god damned slow.

He does not need to sway the right, but he does need to sway the left and those who want action but can't decide what the action should be. He also needs to keep the people interested in this age of 2 second attention spans.

However I fail, as did the author, to make the connection seemingly impplied of some government agency or figure and our going to war with the Islamists of the ME.

By connection I assume you mean in terms of propaganda. So, correct me if i'm wrong, but don't you answer this question (?) with this statement:::::::: "GWB may think he needs to sway us to his way of thinking.....". Is this where the propaganda bit comes in?

13 posted on 08/09/2002 12:30:35 AM PDT by enrg
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To: gcruse
honestly. I can't understand why anyone would buy something just because the T.V sais you should. How stupid do you have to be to believe a can of coke can make you score a date with a supermodel regardless of the fact you look like a twisted sandshoe and have no money.
14 posted on 08/09/2002 12:35:59 AM PDT by enrg
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To: Richard Kimball
then immediately goes into demonizing Roosevelt as being evil for going to war with Hitler.

OK. If you mean its implied i see where your coming form, but i don't see where he actually sais that.

I've got a flag on my truck. Interestingly enough, nobody told me to put it there, nobody forced me to put it there and nobody better try to take it off there.

I think the author is stating that nobody told you to put a flag on your truck but they did tell you what it stands for. Same Hitler told the Germans what the swastika stood for (even though in reality it didn't). I never knew the swastika was used by American tribes and and ancient Hindus. I'd really like to see an article that explains this, as it has also been found in a 3rd or 4th Century church in Macedonia.

The concept of Bush "whipping" us into a war frenzy is absurd

Again I don't see where it sais this. Unless you mean implied.

I think the article is quite good on explaining the use of propganda.

16 posted on 08/09/2002 1:09:29 AM PDT by enrg
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I'm not trying tp insult you, but us English not your mother tongue ? I notice that you have continually misspelled the word " says ". If this is the case, then that is why you are having a problem really understanding the article you posted.

For starters, the demonizing of the enemy, is millenia old. It was well done, and stirred the populace , every bit as did Hitler and his use of music, flags, an ancient Roman salute, and a panoply of other things, NOT invented by, nor even particularly even associated with American advertizing or FDR ! Yes, the " twisted cross " is a VERY ancient Indian ( India, as in Hindu, as well as American Indian ) symbol. This IS common knowledge ! It's amazing that you do not know this.

This article is a Libertarian screed ; nothing more ! Its main purpose, which the author took his time to get to, was to Bash President Bush and the War on Terror. You are either guilless, or a fraud.

17 posted on 08/09/2002 1:23:59 AM PDT by nopardons
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English is not my mother tongue. I have a habit of not proof reading my work and not using letters to represent words ("r" for "are").... Too much chatting. But I understand the article perfectly. I never said the author was correct with everything he says. I said the article is quite good on explaining the use of propganda.

Yes, the " twisted cross " is a VERY ancient Indian ( India, as in Hindu, as well as American Indian ) symbol. This IS common knowledge ! It's amazing that you do not know this.

Well, its not that common. I assure you of that. There are many people who do not know this.

18 posted on 08/09/2002 2:10:59 AM PDT by enrg
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To: Richard Kimball
This is a wonderful propaganda piece...

What you said.

I think I'll add here, though, that the purpose of propaganda like this piece is not so much to whip people into an emotional frenzy, but to make it very tedious to go through it and refute every point that needs refuting. Since the process of refutation is so tiresome, few people who recognize the untruths bother... and the people who don't have all the facts end up believing the propaganda.

19 posted on 08/09/2002 2:16:16 AM PDT by exDemMom
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To: nopardons
Sleeper...
20 posted on 08/09/2002 3:25:34 AM PDT by metesky
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