Posted on 08/24/2002 7:56:02 PM PDT by sweetliberty
Thanks for the ping!! Here are some polls that you might be interested in. Granted they are not scientific but I think they pretty much reflect the attitude of the American public.
Zogby did a poll about 6 months ago and it came out about 70% against immigration/amnesty and about 30% for immigration/amnesty. The interesting thing about the poll was that the approximately 70% that were opposed to amnesty was split about even between republicans and democrats.
Immigration is going to be an issue in November and in 2004. You can take that to the bank polls.
The British Conservative Party condemned itself to a landslide defeat in last years' election, because it agreed to keep immigration off the table in the campaign. That decision was as stupid as it was cowardly and unprincipled. There can be nothing more important than the character of your nation. To suggest that it should not even be debated, whom you permit to join your family, as it were, is lunacy, pure and simple. Have the Republicans in Washington all fallen down the Rabbit Hole? Will they be surprised, when we find ourselves replaced by a new party, in a few years?
The only way to save the Republican Party, I suspect, is for those of us who are not afraid of discussing the realities of demographics, ethnicity and history, to speak up and out, loudly and effectively, at every opportunity.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
We need to understand that a nation is not about geography--although most nations of the earth have strong sentimental, as well as legal claims, to geography. A nation is about a people who have a sense of their own common heritage, experience and values. It is about kith and kin, and the geography comes in when people think about the "Land where my fathers died," as in the patriotic song.
In this reality, the individual immigrant who comes over from a foreign land and seeks acceptance into the nation, is obviously no threat. If there is room, and he is seen as acceptable, there is no reason not to accord him--after a time to prove himself--the rights of citizenship.
But the idea of a wave of foreigners, coming not accepting and seeking acceptance, but seeking what wealth and benefits they may acquire for themselves, becoming citizens, is intolerable to those who wish to preserve their own nation. Slandering these latter, as "Nativists" or "xenophobic," will not change the fact that what they advocate is in accordance with all past human understanding. Their slanderers are not statesmen, are not enlightened, and--above all else--are not loyal to their own people.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
I'd trade you for a bad case of shingles.
No, you don't. Stop kidding yourself.
My original comments were to Cacique and had to do with the image of a rino on a t-shirt. Cacique captioned it, "T shirt of the Congressional GOP". I took that as a general statement and not just pertaining to the subject of this thread.
I then said the following:
Ridiculous. You're painting with a very broad brush and being dishonest towards those hard working conservative Republicans's who support and promote the conservative agenda. Let's give credit, where credit is due.
On the subject of immigration, I thought we were in agreement. The federal governemnt must halt all illegal immigration, immediately. I support using the military to help the INS Border Patrol, accomplish this goal. And my Congressmen are opposed to illegal immigration, as is roughly 85%-90% of all American's.
Where did I go wrong?
I agree, it is intolerable, especially in the light that their stated goal is to take back the land. Atzlan...Texas, California, in other words, the southwest.
The sad part is, they are doing it, right under our collective noses, and the politicians, save one, do nothing.
So damn "hardworking" then why are the pits they are leaving such hellholes?
Uh, try hundreds of years of bad government and see what kind of a pit you'd be living in. We're just lucky that we happened to be born in the land of freedom and... what was it? OPPERTUNITY!
Check out the 2004 Republican Party Platform (Illegal Immigration Plank).
"This new program would allow workers who currently hold jobs to come out of the shadows and to participate legally in America’s economy. It would allow men and women who enter the program to apply for citizenship in the same manner as those who apply from outside the United States."
What will really surprise me is if the other parts are enforced.
"We oppose amnesty because it would have the effect of encouraging illegal immigration and would give an unfair advantage to those who have broken our laws."
I can't understand why they can't see the irony in that statement. Amnesty is amnesty, no matter what you call it and allowing the people to stay who are already here because they broke the laws, IS rewarding lawbreakers.
Why don't they fix it if they are so "hard working?"
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