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Did U.S. shoot first at Pearl Harbor?
Associated Press ^ | 29 August 2002

Posted on 08/29/2002 11:13:48 AM PDT by Asmodeus

HONOLULU, Aug. 28 — Researchers said Wednesday they found a Japanese midget submarine sunk more than an hour before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Discovery of the 78-foot vessel could provide the first physical evidence to back U.S. military assertions that it fired first against Japan in World War II and inflicted the first casualties.>p>

THE SUB was sunk by a Navy destroyer on Dec. 7, 1941. Two Japanese crewmen are believed still inside the submarine.

“It’s the shot that started World War II between the Americans and the Japanese,” said John Wiltshire, associate director of the Hawaii Undersea Research Laboratory, which found the sub. The two-man submarine was discovered unexpectedly at a depth of 1,200 feet and a few miles from Pearl Harbor by research craft making test dives, he said.

The sub led four other Japanese midget submarines to Pearl Harbor to take part in the attack. The newly discovered sub was believed to be the one sunk by the destroyer USS Ward before the attack began. Wiltshire said the crew is certain that this sub was sunk by the Ward because of a bullet hole in the conning tower and because it still has both torpedoes. Three of the subs have been previously accounted for; the remaining sub had fired both of its weapons.

Until the submarine was found, historian Daniel Martinez said eyewitness accounts were unconfirmed. Martinez, a historian for the USS Arizona Memorial, has interviewed the crew who fired the first shot, and a pilot who saw the submarine sink. “What they saw and what they felt was their recollection, now the proof has been found,” he said.

The submarines’ entry into the harbor was followed by the Sunday morning attack by Japanese planes that lasted two hours and left 21 U.S. ships heavily damaged, 323 aircraft damaged or destroyed, 2,390 people dead and 1,178 other wounded.

Terry Kerby, chief pilot of the deep-diving submersible that found the submarine, said it was covered in growth but was in excellent condition. “To actually come across it was a sobering moment, realizing that was the shot that started the Pacific war,” he said.

This is one of the two University of Hawaii deep diving submersibles that discovered a sunken Japanese midget submarine a few miles from Pearl Harbor.

Kerby and other researchers have been conducting dives in the area since the 1980s, and have always known the sub was somewhere out there. Wiltshire described the area as an underwater military junkyard. ‘To actually come across it was a sobering moment, realizing that was the shot that started the Pacific war.’ “The thing is quite difficult to find because of all the massive amounts of junk out in the area, and we were simply fortunate because we’ve run our test and training dives through here and know where a lot of the junk is,” Wiltshire said.

The submarine was the focus of a National Geographic expedition in 2000. A team of deep-water researchers led by undersea explorer Robert Ballard spent 10 days searching for the Japanese sub, using remotely operated imaging vehicles. Ballard is best known for finding the remains of the Titanic, Bismarck and Yorktown, along with the recent discovery of PT-109, the torpedo boat commanded by John F. Kennedy during World War II and sunk near the Solomon Islands.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Japan; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: danielmartinez; hawaii; japan; japanese; johnwiltshire; pearlharbor; robertballard; usnavy; ussward; worldwar2
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1 posted on 08/29/2002 11:13:48 AM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
“It’s the shot that started World War II between the Americans and the Japanese,” said John Wiltshire, associate director of the Hawaii Undersea Research Laboratory, which found the sub.

What's this? A prelude to revisionist claims that Japan then attacked Pearl Harbor in retaliation?

2 posted on 08/29/2002 11:16:57 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Asmodeus
BTTT
3 posted on 08/29/2002 11:16:59 AM PDT by Fzob
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To: Asmodeus
???

What's up with that title?

4 posted on 08/29/2002 11:17:34 AM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Asmodeus
THE SUB was sunk by a Navy destroyer on Dec. 7, 1941. Two Japanese crewmen are believed still inside the submarine.

Better toss in a frag grenade before they send anybody inside, just in case. Those little bastards never give up!

6 posted on 08/29/2002 11:18:37 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Asmodeus
Yes we shot first.

We shot a hostile submarine that was in our waters seeking to sink our ships.

7 posted on 08/29/2002 11:18:45 AM PDT by dead
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To: Willie Green
No, you don't have to worry about that. A Democrat (FDR) was in the White House, so the mainstream media will be real careful not to point an incriminating gun in that way.
8 posted on 08/29/2002 11:18:46 AM PDT by DocCincy
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To: Willie Green
Revisionist is too polite.
9 posted on 08/29/2002 11:18:50 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: Asmodeus
DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER

805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD

WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060

USS Ward, Report of Pearl Harbor Attack

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DD139/A16-3(7--)/

U.S.S. Ward Pearl Harbor, T.H.

December 13, 1941.

From: Commanding Officer.

To: The Commandant, Fourteenth Naval District.

(1) Commander Destroyer Division EIGHTY.

(2) Commander Inshore Patrol.

Subject: Sinking of a Japanese Submarine by U.S.S. Ward.

While patrolling Pearl Harbor Entrance on Sunday, December 7, 1941, the U.S.S. Ward attacked an unidentified submarine in the Restricted Area off the Harbor.

The facts are as follows:

At 0637 the Officer-of-the-Deck said, "Captain come on the bridge". A conning tower with periscope of submarine was visible. She was apparently headed for Pearl Harbor trailing the U.S.S. Antares. The Antares was standing toward the channel entrance towing a lighter. At 0640 the attack was started. The Ward bore down on the submarine while accelerating from 5 to 25 knots. At 0645 the Ward opened fire with No. 1 and 3 guns and began dropping depth charges. One shot was fired from each gun. The shot from No. 1 gun missed, passing directly over the conning tower. The shot from No. 3 gun fired at a range of 560 yards or less struck the submarine at the waterline which was the junction of the hull and coning tower. Damage was seen by several members of the crew. This was a square positive hit. There was no evidence of ricochet. The submarine was seen to heel over to starboard. The projectile was not seen to explode outside the hull of the submarine. There was no splash of any size that might results from an explosion or ricochet. Immediately after being hit the submarine appeared to slow and sink. She ran into our depth charge barrage and appeared to be directly over an exploding charge. The depth charges were set for 100 feet.

The submarine sank in 1200 feet of water and could not be located with supersonic detector. There was a large amount of oil on the surface where the depth charges exploded. The attack was made at 0645 which was before Pearl Harbor was bombed by Japanese planes.

A dispatch by voice transmission was sent to Commandant, Fourteenth Naval District at 0645 which stated:

"We have attacked, fired upon, and dropped depth charges on a submarine operating in defensive sea areas."

The performance of duty by the officers and men during this attack was in accordance with the traditions of this service.

Pertinent Information

Appearance of submarine: Cylindrical tube about 80 feet long with small oval shaped conning tower. It had no deck. It was painted dark green and was covered with moss indicating that it had been at sea for a considerable period.

Behavior during attack: In spite of the five minute run from the time of sighting and time of attack, the submarine apparently did not see or detect the Ward. It was making from 8 to 10 knots and was apparently bent on following the Antares into port. Exact distances are not known but at the time of the first shot the range was not more than 100 yards and for the second shot the range was 50 yards or less. The submarine passed very close to our stern.

[signed]

W.W. OUTERBRIDGE --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

10 posted on 08/29/2002 11:19:28 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Willie Green
No, it's correcting a common misinterpretation of history--that NOBODY was awake at the switch on 7 December.

The skipper of the USS Ward deserves credit for having his ship and crew ready for war. And CINCPACFLT headquarters deserves censure for not being on full alert during what intel analysts now call a "state of heightened international tensions" (and, yes, they DO make an acronym of that phrase :o)

11 posted on 08/29/2002 11:19:40 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Asmodeus
Yep, and the Poles started WWII when they attacked the radio station at Gleiwitz.
12 posted on 08/29/2002 11:19:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Willie Green
A prelude to revisionist claims

No, but it should cause one to wonder why Pearl wasn't on full alert at the time of beginning of the air raid.

13 posted on 08/29/2002 11:20:50 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Kenton; JohnHuang2
THE SUB was sunk by a Navy destroyer on Dec. 7, 1941. Two Japanese crewmen are believed still inside the submarine.

Better toss in a frag grenade before they send anybody inside, just in case. Those little bastards never give up!

Quote of the Day Material here!

14 posted on 08/29/2002 11:21:27 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Asmodeus
The submarine incident has long beern known and was included in the movie "Tora Tora Tora," but the idea that the US "fired the first shot at Pearl Harbor" is just stupid.
15 posted on 08/29/2002 11:22:04 AM PDT by Inyokern
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To: RightWhale
No, but it should cause one to wonder why Pearl wasn't on full alert at the time of beginning of the air raid.

Because Pacific Fleet Headquarters wasn't in the same mental state of readiness as the captain and crew of the USS Ward.

16 posted on 08/29/2002 11:22:36 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Willie Green; wattsmag2
It's not "revisionist" in the least. We've always maintained that we shot first. We sunk a hostile sub in our waters, as we should have.

Their act of entering our waters with hostile intent precipitated our actions, which were wholly justified.

17 posted on 08/29/2002 11:22:44 AM PDT by dead
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To: Kenton
Better toss in a frag grenade before they send anybody inside, just in case. Those little bastards never give up!

: )

18 posted on 08/29/2002 11:24:29 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Asmodeus

19 posted on 08/29/2002 11:24:50 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Asmodeus
"“It’s the shot that started World War II between the Americans and the Japanese,” "

What a crock. If it wasn't there, there would have been no shot. What did Roosevelt know and when did he know it?

20 posted on 08/29/2002 11:26:09 AM PDT by ex-snook
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