Posted on 09/03/2002 7:42:21 PM PDT by vooch
As far as brining Orich to justice, he will be dumped when he becomes a liability and a public affairs burden to those who are sheltering him. And branicap explaind what that means. For now, it's still not front-page news, so no one is a hurry.
We knew very well what the Taliban were doing, but they were our own creation and were needed for the now stagnant Caspean Sea oil project. When it becamse apparent that Osama was a "guest" of Mullah Omar, all of a sudden (!) the issue of (mis)treatment of Afghan women and widespread pederasty became front news items. Orich will follow suit, just as Noriega did, and just as Thachi and his gang will when the political climate changes. They are just "spares." There will always be plenty of Serbs willing to turn the tide and become loyal "allies" like the Northern Alliance did. This is all a chess game and small $hit-shoveling people like ethnic Tajiks and warring Balkanites are the foot-pounding peons doing the dirty work for the chessmasters.
Unfortunately, some of you still believe in justice, and all that crap. That's sad. If a policeman could not stop you and fine you, or even dragg you into jail, would you mind his radar? Might is right, and always has been, and always will be. Justice and all that is for the stupid and the naive, take your pick.
The sponsors from Washington have become very uneasy about international courts and mostly likely can't wait to wrap up the comedy show with Miloshevich and then pull the plug on the whole thing. Those who are building a case against Orich can probably look elsewhere but not in the Hague. That "court" will be shut down as soon as Miloshevich is "found" guilty.
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As far as brining Orich to justice, he will be dumped when he becomes a liability and a public affairs burden to those who are sheltering him. And branicap explaind what that means. For now, it's still not front-page news, so no one is a hurry.
We knew very well what the Taliban were doing, but they were our own creation and were needed for the now stagnant Caspean Sea oil project. When it becamse apparent that Osama was a "guest" of Mullah Omar, all of a sudden (!) the issue of (mis)treatment of Afghan women and widespread pederasty became front news items. Orich will follow suit, just as Noriega did, and just as Thachi and his gang will when the political climate changes. They are just "spares." There will always be plenty of Serbs willing to turn the tide and become loyal "allies" like the Northern Alliance did. This is all a chess game and small $hit-shoveling people like ethnic Tajiks and warring Balkanites are the foot-pounding peons doing the dirty work for the chessmasters.
Unfortunately, some of you still believe in justice, and all that crap. That's sad. If a policeman could not stop you and fine you, or even dragg you into jail, would you mind his radar? Might is right, and always has been, and always will be. Justice and all that is for the stupid and the naive, take your pick.
The sponsors from Washington have become very uneasy about international courts and mostly likely can't wait to wrap up the comedy show with Miloshevich and then pull the plug on the whole thing. Those who are building a case against Orich can probably look elsewhere but not in the Hague. That "court" will be shut down as soon as Miloshevich is "found" guilty.
Joan,for you and all non-Yugoslavs a short lecture:
Police in all Yugoslavias,so far,had always been very brutal!Use of (un)"reasonable force" was a common norm!Yugo-policemen were very batton-happy!That was a fact of life!If you were arrested(for any reason)the chances that you will be beaten a little bit just for the sake of it,and to fear them in future vere big!Take my word for it!I have seen it so many times!It is the way they vere trained:"Remember,it is us against them!They tell jokes about us,they(population) think that were stupid!We have to stick together and show them who`s the boss!" was an informal lecture given to the young cadets in Police School in Sremska Kamenica inthe school caffeteria!And,they behaved accordingly.
I wasn`t working for the government,my relation with the police was sport related,and their request to train some of their guys was purely friendly request;if yo see that some civilian is better coach than your own than you will try to engage him to improve level of training of both your own(police) judo,karate teams and regular self defence training for the regular policemen.After some time,it went beyond that,into more serious work,full body guard training,personal protection, fire arms...
Police job was not very popular among urban people but was atractive for the people from the provinces,because it was a goverment job,steady income and opportunity to move into a town,the bigger the better!Naser Orich is a typical example:a peasant,not even from Srebrenica town but a smal village,as a policeman he finished his carrier in....Belgrade!I believe that he saw a traffic lighte for the first time in his life when he arrived there!As I said,ideal boy for the police!He was only one among the thousands.Don`t get me wrong,there`s nothing wrong with that!Ask yourself;who in US joins the Marines?New York intellectuals??Hardly!Californian surffers??Don`t think so!Mix a provincial background,sense of allienation in the big city,low oppinion of the "natives",indroctrination style;they don`t like you so show them who`s the boss and you get BRUTALITY as a final resault!Simple.
Joan,I and millions of other Belgraders or Serbians and Yugoslavs couldn`t care less who was Muslim,or Croat,or Serbian!And,I`m still the same!So,there was no way that I would refuse an invitation to coach a group of police,men in self defence on the ground of their nationality!Do you understand?If I had a time machine I would like to go 15 years back and kick the shit out of mujahedin Orich,with pleasure!But,maybe in some other life!To cut a long story short:if a p[olice is not under the control of democratic institutions;if an indenpendent body tor complains don`t egzist,you have brutality!Add a bit of national flavour and you have a grater brutality!
I`m affraid,Kosta,my friend,you re right!As usual.Good to hear from you again.
Naser Orich will never see the inside of the Hague cell!I predict for him a restaurant in some Turkish town or...six feet under,courtesy of CIA!
The only run-ins I had with the Federal Police were the YU border guards during my reentry from the RS to Yu at the Zvornik border. Though I created a "language barrier" by dumbing down my knowledge of our language, they were firm but typical authority police type. I made the mistake of speaking German in place. A Serb woman then began speaking German to me, I played an instant dumby...:)
I really did not want to speak with anyone at the time due to tiredness, sore and hangover. If they pissed me off, my temper at that time was short and was very reflexive in my waryiness of others at the time due to the nature of the regional fighting.
The Bosnian Serb police and border guards were in one word, FANTASTIC. In my own opinion....:)
I didn`t say that Marines or Yugo policemen are stupid.It is just that Yugoslavs like telling jokes about policemen!
"Why a policemen always work in pairs?One can read,another can write!
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And,BTW,many decent and professional guys among them!
branicap: Thank you so much for your posts. So much to think about. Oh my. Will write more when I am able.
I never had a run in with the YU police...hell, they liked me so well that they had one follow me around all day at one point. Well, pleasant of them to look out for my well-being...:)))
If there ware so many killings on Bosnian Serbs during the period from 1992 - 1993 can you pleas let us know where from those people came to east Bosnia, and how is that we do not have any data of those people like we have on Bosnian Moslems.
They didn't "come from anywhere"
The reason the numbers aren't well known is because the liberal mass media has supressed them, plain and simple.
I really miss branicap's insights. Pythagorean still pops in now and again, but not nearly enough.
It sure is a great article, wonder why the Hum Warriors aren't braying for Oric's head ?
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