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FBI Criticized for Failing to Solve Anthrax Case (Hatfill plus Rosenberg Alert)
Reuters ^ | September 5, 2002

Posted on 09/05/2002 1:32:45 PM PDT by Shermy

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To: Travis McGee
You may be right, that making an Anthrax connection to Iraq back then would have given us two wars against two monsters.

One monster at a time sounds better to me.

Sac

21 posted on 09/05/2002 3:09:35 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Shermy
I have a bridge that I must move at rock bottom cost, fast. All koolaid drinkers and believers of the fbi (Rush L. too), call me at once. No offer will go unconsidered! Act now! Operators are standing by! I mean it, dammit.
22 posted on 09/05/2002 3:23:08 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Shermy
Secrecy lessens exposure to libel law suits.

Exactly. Thanks for the ping.

23 posted on 09/05/2002 4:00:52 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: Nogbad
never in their wildest imagination could the 09-11-01 gang have thought that the FBI would not believe that they had carried out the anthrax attacks!!

Absolutely true! This is probably the biggest thing they learned from the anthrax mailings -- how easy it is to carry out a covert attack and not be blamed for it.

If only Atta had had the foresight to include his uncle's birthdate or some such confidential information...

He did perhaps highlight the letters A-T-T-A. But this is very speculative.

24 posted on 09/05/2002 6:31:32 PM PDT by Mitchell
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25 posted on 09/05/2002 6:32:14 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Mitchell
The highlighting of A T T A in the letters was just noticeable enough to point a finger.

But everything lining up is a draftsman characteristic and Atta was that also.

Spelling Penicillen...unless I have a prescription in front of me, I never get it right so while some say the perp is stupid and/or clever...I just take it as a common problem with the word if you're not a doctor or a pharmacist.

And don't forget, penicillen was the proper drug until they decided on the more expensive drug...think that was just fear on the part of CDC (who didn't know what the hell they were doing) until the strain was analysed.

Sac

26 posted on 09/05/2002 8:29:40 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: The Great Satan; Mitchell; keri
Well, the FBI and "Amerithrax" are two different things.

By now I think it's clear Mueller and Ashcroft don't have a clue about the anthrax.

27 posted on 09/05/2002 9:52:41 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: crypt2k
Yes sir, correct. And they were one gram letters.

Now extrapolate an Iraqi "retaliatory strike" using 100 or 1,000 one kilo glass jars of the same high grade anthrax tossed on the subway tracks of our ten largest cities, and put in leaky letters going via mail all over the USA.

28 posted on 09/05/2002 10:19:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Sacajaweau
It's just a theory...
29 posted on 09/05/2002 10:21:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Shermy
Rosenberg said she has sent a new commentary about the anthrax attacks to the FBI, but would not make it available to others. She said she did not want to interfere with the proceeding investigation by making public statements.

A NEW commentary, huh? I'm really beginning to detest her. Let's see, Rosenberg's dear friend is apparently the Maine Dr., Meryl Nass... Meryl Nass was widely touted as an 'authority' on the anthrax vaccine and Gulf War Syndrome, although to be honest she appears to be an expert on absolutely nothing. She got involved in anthrax cases when she joined a radical wacko group called Physicians for a Rsponsible Society. They were protesting the research of a REAL anthrax expert at the U of Mass and some were arrested. The guy had a grant to study anthrax from the DoD, and their protests finally became irritating enough that he did not renew his research grant and went on to something else. Maybe that guy, Thorne, is next on her smear list. The lefties hinted at smearing him before on anpther case.

Her group has traveled to Iraq in spite of the embargo. Meryl also worked for the Cuban Ministry of Health on another hoax propaganda event where Cuba accused the US of conducting biowarfare in Cuba. She also had access to US soldiers and so forth in the GWS legal battles. She was accepted to testify before congress, supposedly, in spite of her background and lack of expertise. Meryl also reportedly spent time in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, where she wrote a bogus paper - more like an editorial- on anthrax as a weapon there. The same document was used to paint Hatfill as an evil racist.

Nass runs a web site which has been used widely by media outlets and even here on FR as an allegedly authoritative source of anthrax info. The activist groups to which she belongs are extremly pro-Iraq.

30 posted on 09/06/2002 12:09:09 AM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa; Shermy
Here's a thought:

In reply 366 of Wallaby posted an article about an Iraqi defector.

.. the former officer is identified as "A.S." Among his claims is that Iraq had sent a ton of anthrax to bin Laden.

From http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/16/160324.shtml:

Reports that Osama bin Laden was able to buy anthrax from a factory in the Czech Republic add further legitimacy to suspicions of a foreign bioterror tie. Iraq's intelligence service is in charge of Iraq's anthrax program.

It's possible that both claims are true. Hussein could have paid for/authorized the anthrax from that factory and had it shipped to bin Laden.

If this is true, it could explain the perplexing backpeddling by the Czech authorities about the Atta meeting in Prague. They could have released/leaked that information about the meeting before they discovered the anthrax was made at that factory...

Because that explains their backpeddling so well, I tend to believe that's what happened.

31 posted on 09/06/2002 4:14:34 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Nogbad
By now I think it's clear Mueller and Ashcroft don't have a clue about the anthrax.

It appears that you're right. But how can this be?

Do we really have a situation in the U.S. where the Secretary of Justice and the director of the FBI are not trusted by the Vice President and the Secretary of Defense?

32 posted on 09/07/2002 12:11:23 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
Well I haven't bought Satan's hypothesis.
There may be suspicions that Iraq,
or some foreign power,
provided the anthrax,
but no proof.
In which case the FBI has to carry out its investigation as it sees fit.
33 posted on 09/07/2002 2:12:57 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad; keri
Not sure I made myself clear in the last one.
Let us assume that Rumsfeld is absolutely certain
as I am
that the anthrax came from a foreign source.
But he has no 'smoking gun'
to use that sickeningly overused phrase.
(He has no sample from Iraq or Pakistan
nor any handwritten note from Saddam
taking responsibility.)
What does Bush do?
He believes in team playing,
he does not give orders to Mueller
(whom I doubt is a very bright man)
to lay off the domestic theory.
34 posted on 09/07/2002 2:28:30 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
There may be suspicions that Iraq, or some foreign power, provided the anthrax, but no proof. In which case the FBI has to carry out its investigation as it sees fit.

True enough. But what would be the reason not to search the AMI building for nearly a year? No matter who sent the anthrax, foreign or domestic, the site of the first attack should have been central to any investigation. At the very least, you would think that they would have looked for the letter(s) in which the anthrax presumably arrived, or examined the building to try to determine if, in fact, the anthrax did arrive by mail and what route the letter(s) took upon arrival.

Why has it taken the FBI nearly a year to decide to do this?

35 posted on 09/07/2002 10:33:26 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Nogbad
Not sure I made myself clear in the last one. Let us assume that Rumsfeld is absolutely certain as I am that the anthrax came from a foreign source. But he has no 'smoking gun' to use that sickeningly overused phrase. (He has no sample from Iraq or Pakistan nor any handwritten note from Saddam taking responsibility.) What does Bush do? He believes in team playing, he does not give orders to Mueller (whom I doubt is a very bright man) to lay off the domestic theory.

I absolutely agree that the government can't lay off the domestic theory without proof of foreign involvement. But why wouldn't a real investigation of the domestic theory have involved a thorough examination of the AMI crime scene, as soon as possible?

I know they've said they're using new techniques now, which is fine. But couldn't they have searched for the J-Lo letter earlier to see if it might still be in the building? It doesn't take high-tech forensic techniques to look for a manila envelope with a detergent box, a tobacco can, and a Star of David. Nor is it very tricky to search for a lewd letter to Jennifer Lopez -- especially when they probably know who it was addressed to, as well as approximately what was written in the letter. Now I'm not presupposing that the J-Lo letter is the one that the anthrax arrived in, but wouldn't it be logical to find it and check?

36 posted on 09/07/2002 10:40:08 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
But what would be the reason not to search the AMI building for nearly a year?

Maybe they just didn't have the manpower, the knowledge, the equipment. See today's article:

Anthrax Killer Outlasting the Hunters

I actually don't see what a search of the AMI building will accomplish,
unless they actually find the postmark on the Lopez letter
which is unlikely.

37 posted on 09/07/2002 10:46:20 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
I actually don't see what a search of the AMI building will accomplish,
unless they actually find the postmark on the Lopez letter which is unlikely.

Maybe they'll find the letter. Maybe they already have the letter and will "discover" it now. The news reports sure read like we are being set up for that. If the letter no longer exists, maybe they'll find (or purport to find) some other forensic means to show when it arrived -- e.g. by demonstrating cross-contamination with some piece of mail which arrived at the same time. Remember, even if all they can show is that the letter arrived *before* 9-11, as the J-Lo letter reportedly did, then the domestic theory is discredited immediately, Hatfill gets his job back, and Bush can go on TV and say, "the bombing begins in five minutes." (Just kidding about that last bit.)

38 posted on 09/07/2002 10:59:11 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Nogbad
But why?? We don't hesitate to implicate one of our own without that miraculous "smoking gun", and we certainly don't need it to take out a madman and his psychotic sons.
39 posted on 09/07/2002 6:07:39 PM PDT by keri
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To: keri; John H K; Illbay; The Great Satan; Mitchell
Keri:

If I understand
you are advocating a Machiavellian policy:
just say that the CIA has proof
that the anthrax came from Iraq
and use it as a pretext for the attack.

Well this policy could end up in embarrassment
if there turned out to be another anthrax 'incident'
shortly after Iraq was taken out.

Anyway,
looks as if they are going to find a pretext
without the anthrax card.

The thing is there obviously are many people in the FBI
who actually believe in the domestic theory.
In fact such people are not uncommon
even on Free Republic,
which is renowned for the sophistication and intelligence
of its members.

40 posted on 09/07/2002 6:42:50 PM PDT by Nogbad
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