Posted on 09/05/2002 1:32:45 PM PDT by Shermy
OK, so there is symbolism, numerology in all of this from start to finish.
And we know that Atta was fascinated (obsessed?) with symbolism.
Doesn't this support my belief
I've held from the start
that, granted, he got assistance from 'Al Qaeda',
but,
Atta, himself, was the originator, mastermind, commander
of the 09-11-01 'enterprise'??
I think it most likely just a day of low passenger carriage and fit the logistics of the planners.
I keep wondering, though, if we're just chasing flights of fantasy, with insufficient data. I'd be a lot more comfortable with this theory if we had more details on the J-Lo letter, or on the AMI attack in general.
I believe there also is a popular brand called 'Numero Uno'
At the very least, Atta was the operational commander, with full flexibility to conduct himself as he saw fit, within very broad guidelines. The whole thing seems to bear the marks of his strange psychology.
One expects a terrorist cell structure to function very differerently from a traditional, hierarchically-organized military chain of command. Each cell may be given broad instruction, guidelines, and training, but implementation details are up to the people in the cell. Of those in a particular cell, I would expect one to be the leader, and the others in many cases to be grunts.
In a mission like 9/11, I would think that there are several interlocking cells. Atta must have not only led his own cell, but provided specific directions to the other cells on the mission.
Flexibility is one of the chief strengths of a terrorist group. They do not have the strength that we do, but they also do not have the inertia.
That it was 9/11 might have more to do with that ALL detergent cover than most would care to imagine, but then Mr. Atta was a highly complex man, full of neuroticisms over his apparant homosexuality and life in a society that kills homosexuals, his hatred of women, his journey to Heaven, etc.
Look, the guy was a nut case, probably psychotic from time to time, and not a whole lot different than the Reverend Jim Jones (See grape koolade). They frequently latch onto standard religious or philosophical symbols and attach entirely new meanings to them. We can imagine a crazed Atta seeing that ALL box and perceiving it to be a message from God.
Arabic words yes. But not Arabic numbers.
Arabs read numbers exactly as we do: from left to right.
The reason is that 'our' numbers actually are Arabic numbers
And who among us will forget the wind that whipped up and blew the dust in the bottom of the WTC site up into a great arc in the air?
Even normal folks can perceive something that may or may not be there. Atta might well have had an epiphany at the laundramat!
I believe the return address is exactly that, a "coded" address. 4th grade is a date. There is a Greendale School and a Franklin Park (Zoo) and Franklin Train Station in Massachusetts. It was the mailers final destination and where he could be reached if necessary or more likely a meeting schedule. He is more than likely working with a second person until Flight 587 goes down.
Because the letters were addressed to Senators, the envelopes would be posted for all the WORLD to see.
All "group" operations were within the same time zone and during DST (1st Sun in April until last Sunday in October). There is an 8 hr time difference between here and Afghanistan. The hijackers AND anthrax perps worked in two week blocks.
The approx. hijack date was set earlier than we suppose. The plane reservations were completed on or about August 24th.
This is the earliest that the Anthrax letters could have been sealed because of the date 9-11-01 in their content.
9-11, 9-18 and 10-9, the hijack date and the cancel dates on the letters were all Tuesdays. Bob Stevens (at AMI) left for vacation on 9-26 which was a Wednesday making 9-25 (Tuesday) the most likely date that he was hit. (The NY letters produced cutaneous anthrax (likely moisture)). A letter to AMI mailed 9-18 with the same moisture problem would likely produce cutaneous not a "single" obscure inhalation/ingestion case. The man who lived to tell about it at AMI was likely cross contaminated. Stevens may have met with him several times because of his pending vacation and the usual mail problems surrounding his scheduled absense. The "Postman" was older, weaker and all around the building.
So the dates look like this, 2nd col is Euro style, the third is pulling the 0's.
Tuesday..09-11-01..Buildings...........11-09-01.....1191
Tuesday..09-18-01..Anthrax postmark....18-09-01.....1891
Tuesday..09-25-01..Stevens exposed.....25-09-01.....2591
END SEPT-Mailer moves to NY (Stevens dies Oct 5)
Tuesday..10-02-01..Mailer now in NY....02-10-01
Tuesday..10-09-01..Anthrax postmark....09-10-01.....911
(End NJ Mailing Scenarios)
Sunday...10-21-01..Ngyuen exposed......21-10-01.....2111
Sunday...10-27-01..Mailer on the move..27-10-01
END OCT & DST-Mailer moves to Mass (Nyguen dies Oct 31)
Sunday...11-02-01..Mailer in Mass......02-11-01
Sunday...11-11-01..Lundgren exposed....11-11-01....11111
Monday...11-12-01 Flight 587,9:17 am..12-11-01....12111
(1211 was an address on one of the envelopes I believe)
I now believe that the mailer(a bio-chem expert) and/or an associate was on Flight 587 and brought it down. Had it been on schedule, 587 would have crashed at 8:43 AM, the same time as the first Tower.
Lundgren dies 9 days after 587. Operation days, 4 planes and 2 mailings are all Tuesdays.
Obscure hits (Ngyuen and Lundgren) are weekends. The connections I see are
1. The number of duplicate letters in their names.
2. They are both church goers, hence the Sunday as a the hit date.
3. Ngyuen is on a return path from NJ to NY. Lundgren is on a path from Mass to JFK Airport for Flight 587.
Summary: After Stevens was hit, the mailer moved from Florida to NY and operated from there until the end of October when Anthrax tension was at it's peak. Any possible connection to the vicinity of Nguyen who died on October 31st would be overlooked. (There is a possibility of someone on Flight 587 connected to her that may have been overlooked-Look at the names). 9-11 has two meanings, the date AND time. (Bldg hits were all in this (approx)time frame.) It is likely that the letters were put into the mailbox during this time frame also and box pick up was at noon??? The less you have to remember, the greater the possibility of success.
The zip code of the return address is 08852.
Plug into your search engine: Greendale, 508 852, camp (Notice the location-Ararat St.) Ararat (mountain) is in Far East Turkey, near the Iran, Iraq, Armenian border.
Anthrax Notes: As far as I can see, the Postal workers exposure was caused by the machines (and the act of breathing) which suggests both inhalation through the nostrils AND ingestion through mouth. (I believe Steven's first complaint was being sick to his stomach).
I'm also going to speculate that part of the shaving ritual was to give some of the terrorists the ability to wash away any traces of Anthrax and Atta's red hands were likely caused by washing with Clorox or another Germ killing agent.
The sore on Atta's buddy's leg was in June (caused by a bump on a suitcase?)suggesting that the Anthrax may have been
1. "Imported" (since some of them were arriving at this time)
2. "delivered" to them from an obscure lab in the USA (Unibomber style (and destroyed in a SET wildfire).
3.Picked up by them "somewhere" in the USA in early June.
A combination of 2 & 3 seems most likely (some half way point).(However, I also believe this is why we would like inspections to be renewed in Iraq..to trace the characteristics particular to what we have.
Look at the envelopes again. Notice ALL the numbers. They are working with a stupid little number/word code, very simple and methodical and easy reference.
The "riddle" bit we just heard about only strengthed my thoughts.
Remember the riddle? 11 O 1...stick is one, cake is O, slash is ???, hanging is??? down is???....Yes, it makes 911 euro style but....The person Atta was talking to knew all about this so why the riddle and why give it to the public?? Was the riddle story teller sending a message?? just before the anniversary date??
Is HE the "riddler"?, the "code maker"?.
You can all have a ball blasting me on this!
Be gentle!!...Sac
Sac
He could have used...9-11 (as in the anthrax letters) but he's telling more than the date. The two towers are first - 11, There is a break in time signified by the slash. Then "O", the White House which has a circular ground in front of it. Then the Capitol (another tall building represented by a stick).
The date is 11-9 reading it left to right
The time is 9-11 reading it right to left
The targets are 11=the towers, "O" = White House 1=Capitol reading it again left to right and the order of operation.
(Stick hanging down means??...hmm, a popsicle is my first thought (hmm (another food product).)(A flag has a stick hanging down??)
Cake is the word for Whitehouse?? and ice cream is the word for the capitol???
I could carry that off in a conversation about the "PLAN" and you wouldn't know what I was talking about.
Have Fun....Sac...(Please, no strange suggestions on what a stick hanging down means.)
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