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To: Sacajaweau; okie01
I remember the statement about finding Anthrax in the lobby of AMI because it was an oddity.

Heavy anthrax contamination was found throughout the entire AMI building, to the point that some investigators suspected that there might have been more than one letter.

I have a pretty long scenario in my head which covers Nguyen and Lundgren also.

If you care to elaborate on this, I'd be interested.

118 posted on 09/11/2002 11:13:09 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
This is long, a little confusing but you'll get the jist of it.

I believe the return address is exactly that, a "coded" address. 4th grade is a date. There is a Greendale School and a Franklin Park (Zoo) and Franklin Train Station in Massachusetts. It was the mailers final destination and where he could be reached if necessary or more likely a meeting schedule. He is more than likely working with a second person until Flight 587 goes down.

Because the letters were addressed to Senators, the envelopes would be posted for all the WORLD to see.

All "group" operations were within the same time zone and during DST (1st Sun in April until last Sunday in October). There is an 8 hr time difference between here and Afghanistan. The hijackers AND anthrax perps worked in two week blocks.

The approx. hijack date was set earlier than we suppose. The plane reservations were completed on or about August 24th.

This is the earliest that the Anthrax letters could have been sealed because of the date 9-11-01 in their content.

9-11, 9-18 and 10-9, the hijack date and the cancel dates on the letters were all Tuesdays. Bob Stevens (at AMI) left for vacation on 9-26 which was a Wednesday making 9-25 (Tuesday) the most likely date that he was hit. (The NY letters produced cutaneous anthrax (likely moisture)). A letter to AMI mailed 9-18 with the same moisture problem would likely produce cutaneous not a "single" obscure inhalation/ingestion case. The man who lived to tell about it at AMI was likely cross contaminated. Stevens may have met with him several times because of his pending vacation and the usual mail problems surrounding his scheduled absense. The "Postman" was older, weaker and all around the building.

So the dates look like this, 2nd col is Euro style, the third is pulling the 0's.

Tuesday..09-11-01..Buildings...........11-09-01.....1191

Tuesday..09-18-01..Anthrax postmark....18-09-01.....1891

Tuesday..09-25-01..Stevens exposed.....25-09-01.....2591

END SEPT-Mailer moves to NY (Stevens dies Oct 5)

Tuesday..10-02-01..Mailer now in NY....02-10-01

Tuesday..10-09-01..Anthrax postmark....09-10-01.....911

(End NJ Mailing Scenarios)

Sunday...10-21-01..Ngyuen exposed......21-10-01.....2111

Sunday...10-27-01..Mailer on the move..27-10-01

END OCT & DST-Mailer moves to Mass (Nyguen dies Oct 31)

Sunday...11-02-01..Mailer in Mass......02-11-01

Sunday...11-11-01..Lundgren exposed....11-11-01....11111

Monday...11-12-01 Flight 587,9:17 am..12-11-01....12111

(1211 was an address on one of the envelopes I believe)

I now believe that the mailer(a bio-chem expert) and/or an associate was on Flight 587 and brought it down. Had it been on schedule, 587 would have crashed at 8:43 AM, the same time as the first Tower.

Lundgren dies 9 days after 587. Operation days, 4 planes and 2 mailings are all Tuesdays.

Obscure hits (Ngyuen and Lundgren) are weekends. The connections I see are

1. The number of duplicate letters in their names.

2. They are both church goers, hence the Sunday as a the hit date.

3. Ngyuen is on a return path from NJ to NY. Lundgren is on a path from Mass to JFK Airport for Flight 587.

Summary: After Stevens was hit, the mailer moved from Florida to NY and operated from there until the end of October when Anthrax tension was at it's peak. Any possible connection to the vicinity of Nguyen who died on October 31st would be overlooked. (There is a possibility of someone on Flight 587 connected to her that may have been overlooked-Look at the names). 9-11 has two meanings, the date AND time. (Bldg hits were all in this (approx)time frame.) It is likely that the letters were put into the mailbox during this time frame also and box pick up was at noon??? The less you have to remember, the greater the possibility of success.

The zip code of the return address is 08852.

Plug into your search engine: Greendale, 508 852, camp (Notice the location-Ararat St.) Ararat (mountain) is in Far East Turkey, near the Iran, Iraq, Armenian border.

Anthrax Notes: As far as I can see, the Postal workers exposure was caused by the machines (and the act of breathing) which suggests both inhalation through the nostrils AND ingestion through mouth. (I believe Steven's first complaint was being sick to his stomach).

I'm also going to speculate that part of the shaving ritual was to give some of the terrorists the ability to wash away any traces of Anthrax and Atta's red hands were likely caused by washing with Clorox or another Germ killing agent.

The sore on Atta's buddy's leg was in June (caused by a bump on a suitcase?)suggesting that the Anthrax may have been

1. "Imported" (since some of them were arriving at this time)

2. "delivered" to them from an obscure lab in the USA (Unibomber style (and destroyed in a SET wildfire).

3.Picked up by them "somewhere" in the USA in early June.

A combination of 2 & 3 seems most likely (some half way point).(However, I also believe this is why we would like inspections to be renewed in Iraq..to trace the characteristics particular to what we have.

Look at the envelopes again. Notice ALL the numbers. They are working with a stupid little number/word code, very simple and methodical and easy reference.

The "riddle" bit we just heard about only strengthed my thoughts.

Remember the riddle? 11 O 1...stick is one, cake is O, slash is ???, hanging is??? down is???....Yes, it makes 911 euro style but....The person Atta was talking to knew all about this so why the riddle and why give it to the public?? Was the riddle story teller sending a message?? just before the anniversary date??

Is HE the "riddler"?, the "code maker"?.

You can all have a ball blasting me on this!

Be gentle!!...Sac

131 posted on 09/12/2002 9:54:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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