[Tuco-bad]

For instance - you believe government spending is the way to a good economy, social security's only weakness is that it is not universal (I guess no one should able to opt out.).

And whom may I ask pays for your salary and retirement benefits?

[artios]

uhhh.... duhhhh..... I peform a service and I am paid for my service. Some of my pay goes to provide my retirement.

Is ad hominum the only weapon you liberals have. You are really a pathetic breed. emotion, ad hominum, the "religious right" talisman, you ignore all the lessons of history, you are self contradictory, you just promote your self made religion trying to achieve your godless utopia - meanwhile in order to achieve it, you lie, cheat, steal, distort, acquiesce to murder and all to achieve your godless utopia.

I hope you get to live in the cesspool that you are working so hard to create - but I hope that you destroy as few other lives as possible. That always has been my main question - do you liberals really believe the inane gibberish you spue about how great a welfare state is, how great universal healthcare would be - how "feeling" it would be - while ALL evidence in history and around the world shouts out the same message - do not do this - you will destroy all prosperity and everything that has improved mankinds lot.

I know you are aware of Stalins attempt at utopia and the millions he murdered, and Mao's attempt and the millions he murdered, and on and on until in the 19th century alone your kind murdered 300 million people in the name of your godless utopia. Do you REALLY think that God will not see this? - and yet - you keep going because your religious faith of secular humanism speaks to your "heart" and you "feel" -

Maybe some day you will wake up and realize your shame. Maybe not. But there is a day coming when every knee shall bow. Good luck to you. But that won't be enough.