I have never felt more proud or more alone (pro-Israel demonstrator gets spat on......BY ANTI NAZIS)

Washington Jewish Week ^ | August 24, 2002 | Sarah Kopelovich

[faintpraise]

Since when is expecting people to act civil in public asking them to celebrate Jewish seperatism?

What kind of fool would expect a leftist lynch mob to act civil?

[Prodigal Son]

What kind of fool would expect a leftist lynch mob to act civil?

Why should she think they are a leftist lynch mob? I hate neo Nazis myself. I mean I HATE them. There is nothing uglier than an American saluting a Swastika and paying homage to Hitler. They are the lowest scum in our country. Any true conservative should have been in that anti Nazi crowd protesting against those sh!theads- I know I would have been.

I expect people to behave themselves in public, yes I do. This is part of being a conservative. I don't care what the situation is, nobody had the right to spit on her or rough her up- lefty or righty- and she, as a citizen of a civilized country, had every right and reason to expect that she could stand on the sidewalk and wave a flag without being assaulted.

[Salman]

Make no mistake about it. In America today the so-called right wing antisemites (Neo-Nazis, KKK, skinheads, etc) are a few marginal nothings, but openly left-wing antisemites are numerous and only just outside the mainstream.

A typical Neo-Nazi or KKK demo with attendant counter-demo these days? 10 Nazis, 200 police to protect them, 5000 counter-demonstrators. And guess who starts smashing windows and overturning cars? And comparing even RINOs to the Nazis?

On one side, David Duke, a bunch of old-style segregationists from his district, and a few scattered scary bozos. I don't say ignore them, but for now I'm not worried.

On the other side, radicals on most college campuses, especially the prestigious ones. Major "official" intellectuals. Congressdroids. "Community leaders". Respected media figures (and not just movie actors). That worries me.

[wretchard]

We live in great days; the time of song and legend in years to come. Now we know a little of what is was like to stand on Bunker Hill, to smuggle a Jew out of Nazi Europe and to order a submarine down while standing stranded on its bridge.

Episodes like this are the combat experiences of our lives. They make us stronger for the next time. Righteous survives. Righteousness grows. Righteousness triumphs.

[DallasDeb]

Sounds like most of those protestors should have joined their buddies in the white hoods and swastikas.

Jews in America will be conservatives before too much more time passes.

[faintpraise]

I could accept Israel if it abandoned Jewish exclusivism and welcomed back returning Palestinian Arab refugees as well as Jewish immigrants. However, I will oppose American support of Israel as long as it retains an undemocratic military occupation and discriminates against Palestinian Arabs.

[Salman]

Being Jewish is not a requirement for being a citizen of Israel. It may be a requirement for immigration to Israel...

According to Israeli law, a Jewish immigrant has a right to Israeli citizenship, but other immigrants are on a case by case basis. Understand this is for the secular Israeli definition of Jewish which is a good deal more permissive than the religion. This was originally so that WWII era refugees didn't have to prove their religious status (Hitler didn't care either).

Thus also the recent controversy about some of the post-Soviet Russian immigrants.

This "right of return" doesn't mean that the Israeli authorities systematically put up with a lot of nonsense. They have been known to extradite Jewish criminals to the United States with the understanding that they could come back to Israel to live after serving their time in the USA.

[Revolting cat!]

If the neo-Nazis didn't exist they would have to be invented. In fact, in a manner of speaking, they have been invented. The threat the ten of them pose to anyone or anything has been invented so that they can serve as convenient scapegoats while the elephant in the room, the Communists, tramples everything in sight.

This has been going on for 40 years during which the neo-Nazis have made no progress and have caused no serious damage of any sort, but look at the Reds - they sneaked one of their own to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for 8 whole years and later into the Senate. And to think that so many well meaning conservatives buy into this neo-Nazi threat propaganda instead of seeing it for what it is - a calculated deception by the Communists and their dupes in the media! A fine mess, I tell ya!

[Texas_Jarhead]

sounds like it was neo-nazis vs. closet nazis to me

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

I must admit that I, like many young Jews and Zionists my age, feel betrayed by American liberals. With regards to the Middle East, there seems to be no appreciation of the moral ambiguity, the political nuances, the multiple layers of media spin. Faced with such a complex situation, young people too often ask others to chew it, swallow it and digest it for them, and then tell them in absolute terms which side is most appropriate to their general belief structure.

Are you in favor of affirmative action? Are you for civil liberties and women's rights? Why, then, you must be pro-Palestinian! Anti-Globalization? Humanitarian? Pro- Palestinian! Ever voted Democratic/ Libertarian/Socialist or even abstained from voting for a Republican? Then Palestine is the side for you!

Strongly held political views in no way justify acting in such a callous and hateful way toward a fellow human being. With their blind hatred of Israel, these anti-Nazi protesters treated me as roughly as the neo-Nazis on the other side of the partition would have, had they but had the opportunity.

This girl is all slogan and no principle.

[goodieD]

it's time little girls like her had her eyes rudely opened...you cannot be liberal and a jew without betraying your people. All true liberals are anti semitic, palestinian loving nazis.

[joesnuffy]

guess what the fruits of socialsim are the same as those of facisim....

[Alouette]

I could accept Israel if it abandoned Jewish exclusivism and welcomed back returning Palestinian Arab refugees as well as Jewish immigrants.

I could accept Palestine if it abandoned Arab exclusivism and welcomed back returning Jewish "settlers" as well as Arab "refugees."

Turnabout is fair play, Kudzu.

[July 4th]

This piece took some guts to write. I can only hope that events like this give the liberal Jewry some pause, and make them reconsider where their support has been over the years.

For me, it's truly revolting to think that the left has any Jewish support left at all. For the past 30+ years, the policy of liberals has been a marginalization of the person and a blurring of the lines between right and wrong. For the Jews, a people strong in their nation and beliefs, all of this relativism does them no good, not to mention much of it flies in the face of their own religion.

The right is not only the true defender of the nation-state, but the true defender of the philosophy by which Jews live their lives. Personal responsibility, moral clarity, and a dedication to G-d and family.

[Mamzelle]

I dunno about "touching"--I was sort of thinking "Well, Du-uh."

Always pleading with the leftwingers, "Please like us, look at all we've done to stick it to those icky Baptists and Republicans in the past. Now it's those same icky Baptists and Republicans who seem to be our only friends, and I just can't stand the idea of rubbing elbows with Their Kind!"

Just how much garbage from the likes of Jesse J and Hillary do liberal Jews have to take before they wise up?

I've spent too many years watching conservatives and evangelicals being tarred with the undeserved "antisemite" label, for specious and trivial reasons, to have unreserved patience. I have more sympathy for Israelis than liberal American Jews...

[Captiva]

But I thought the Palestinian Arabs wanted to kill all the Jews? You're right. I guess since they just want to live in harmony with the Israelis they should welcome them in & give them land.

[Prodigal Son]

If the neo-Nazis didn't exist they would have to be invented. In fact, in a manner of speaking, they have been invented. The threat the ten of them pose to anyone or anything has been invented...

Well, they sure must be as busy as little bees- the ten of them. They've got a few thousand web sites on the net, loads of music CDs, and Doc Martens has been making a load of money off just a handful of people.

[rmlew]

She's disappointed that the other protesters don't identify with the Jewish state. But why should they? Israel would deny most of them citizenship simply because they aren't Jewish. Why should they celebrate Jewish separatism while condemning White separatism?

On the other hand, why do the Nazis hate a nation state with a defined ethnic core?
Teh reason is that Nazis hate Jews above all else.
AS for your comment, the freest Arabs in the Middle East are the 1.1 million Arab-Israeli citizens of Israel.
Teh Nazis don't believe in rights for minorities.
See teh difference?

[rmlew]

A neo-Conservative Jew is one who has been mugged by the far left.
Look at Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, David Horowitz, Ron Radosh....
She was philosohpically mugged. At worst she will be a socially liberal moderate. At best, she will wake up and see who her allies are.
I'm going to e-mail her to show her the way.