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www.freerepublic.com | September 12, 2002

Posted on 09/12/2002 7:02:45 AM PDT by Howlin

Live discussion and comments about Bush's speech to the U.N. today, and the reaction to it.


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To: Howlin
That was my favorite quote from Kofi's speech. I'd love to ask him how the world community EVER survived before 50 years ago.
881 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:08 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Howlin
Haven't heard, but highly suspect some have seen it.
882 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:17 AM PDT by rintense
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I do believe God is at work - in the life of this man, our President - and in this nation - and even in the world -

God IS at work, FWI!! GOOD to see you!!!! :o)

883 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:21 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: PhiKapMom
The delegates look stunned! They were not expecting this -- he is taking them to the woodshed!

He uses their underestimation of him to great advantage, does he not? First, Ann Richards. Then Al Gore. Now the world!

884 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:32 AM PDT by twigs
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A text of President Bush's speech to the United Nations on Thursday, as released by the White House:

Mr. Secretary-General, Mr. President, distinguished ladies and gentlemen: We meet one year and one day after a terrorist attack brought grief to my country, and to the citizens of many countries. Yesterday, we remembered the innocent lives taken that terrible morning. Today, we turn to the urgent duty of protecting other lives, without illusion and without fear.

We have accomplished much in the last year -- in Afghanistan and beyond. We have much yet to do -- in Afghanistan and beyond. Many nations represent here have joined in the fight against global terror -- and the people of the United States are grateful.

The United Nations was born in the hope that survived a world war -- the hope of a world moving toward justice, escaping old patterns of conflict and fear. The founding members resolved that the peace of the world must never again be destroyed by the will and wickedness of any man. We created a United Nations Security Council, so that -- unlike the League of Nations -- our deliberations would be more than talk, and our resolutions would be more than wishes. After generations of deceitful dictators, broken treaties and squandered lives, we dedicate ourselves to standards of human dignity shared by all, and to a system of security defended by all.

Today, these standards, and this security, are challenged.

Our commitment to human dignity is challenged by persistent poverty and raging disease. The suffering is great, and our responsibilities are clear. The United States is joining with the world to supply aid where it reaches people and lift up lives ... to extend trade and the prosperity it brings ... and to bring medical care where it is desperately needed.

As a symbol of our commitment to human dignity, the United State will return to UNESCO. This organization has been reformed and America will participate fully in its mission to advance human rights, tolerance, and learning.

Our common security is challenged by regional conflicts -- ethnic and religious strife that is ancient but not inevitable. In the Middle East, there can be no peace for either side without freedom for both sides. America stands committed to an independent and democratic Palestine, living beside Israel in peace and security. Like all other people, Palestinians deserve a government that serves their interests and listens to their voices. My nation will continue to encourage all parties to step up to their responsibilities as we seek a just and comprehensive settlement to the conflict.

Above all, our principles and our security are challenged today by outlaw groups and regimes that accept no law of morality and have no limit to their violent ambitions. In the attacks on America a year ago, we saw the destructive intentions of our enemies. This threat hides within many nations, including my own. In cells and camps, terrorists are plotting further destruction and building new bases for their war against civilization. And our greatest fear is that terrorists will find a shortcut to their mad ambitions when an outlaw regime supplies them with the technologies to kill on a massive scale.

In one place -- in one regime -- we find all these dangers, in their most lethal and aggressive forms ... exactly the kind of aggressive threat the United Nations was born to confront.

Twelve years ago, Iraq invaded Kuwait without provocation. And the regime's forces were poised to continue their march to seize other countries and their resources. Had Saddam Hussein been appeased instead of stopped, he would have endangered the peace and stability of the world. Yet this aggression was stopped -- by the might of coalition forces, and the will of the United Nations.

To suspend hostilities and to spare himself, Iraq's dictator accepted a series of commitments. The terms were clear: to him, and to all. And he agreed to prove he is complying with every one of those obligations.

He has proven instead only his contempt for the United Nations, and for all his pledges. By breaking every pledge -- be his deceptions, and by his cruelties -- Saddam Hussein has made the case again himself.

In 1991, Security Council Resolution 688 demanded that the Iraqi regime cease at once the repression of its own people, including the systematic repression of minorities -- which, the Council said, "threaten(ed) international peace and security in the region."

This demand goes ignored. Last year, the U.N. Commission on Human rights found that Iraq continues to commit "extremely grave violations" of human rights and that the regime's repression is "all pervasive." Tens of thousands of political opponents and ordinary citizens have been subjected to arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, summary execution, and torture by beating, burning, electric shock, starvation, mutilation, and rape. Wives are tortured in front of their husbands; children in the presence of their parents -- all of these horrors concealed from the world by the apparatus of a totalitarian state.

In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolutions 686 and 687, demanded that Iraq return all prisoners from Kuwait and other lands. Iraq's regime agreed. It broke its promise. Last year the Secretary-General's high-level coordinator of this issue reported that Kuwaiti, Saudi, Indian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, Egyptian, Bahraini, and Omani nationals remain unaccounted for -- more than 600 people. One American pilot is among them.

In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolution 687, demanded the Iraq renounce all involvement with terrorism, and permit no terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Iraq's regime agreed. It broke its promise. In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373, Iraq continues to shelter and support terrorist organization that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments. Iraqi dissidents abroad are targeted for murder. In 1993, Iraq attempted to assassinate the Emir of Kuwait and a former American President. Iraq's government openly praised the attacks of September 11th. And al-Qaida terrorists escaped from Afghanistan are known to be in Iraq.

In 1991, the Iraqi regime agreed to destroy and stop developing all weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles, and to prove to the world it has done so by complying with rigorous inspections. Iraq has broken every aspect of this fundamental pledge.

From 1991 to 1995, the Iraqi regime said it had no biological weapons. After a senior official in its weapons program defected and exposed this lie, the regime admitted to producing tens of thousands of liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents for use with Scud warheads, aerial bombs, and aircraft spray tanks. U.N. inspectors believe Iraq has produced two to four times the amount of biological agents it declared, and has failed to account for more than three metric tons of material that could be used to produce biological weapons. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

United Nations inspections also reveal that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard, and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons.

And in 1995 -- after four years of deception -- Iraq finally admitted it had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.

Today, Iraq continues to withhold important information about its unclear program -- weapons design, procurement logs, experiment data, an accounting of nuclear materials, and documentation of foreign assistance. Iraq employs capable nuclear scientists and technicians. It retains physical infrastructure needed to build a nuclear weapon. Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should Iraq acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a year. And Iraq's state-controlled media has reported numerous meetings between Saddam Hussein and his nuclear scientists, leaving little doubt about his continued appetite for these weapons.

Iraq also possesses a force of Scud-type missiles with ranges beyond the 150 kilometers permitted by the U.N. Work at testing and production facilities shows that Iraq is building more long-range missiles that could inflict mass death throughout the region.

In 1990, after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, the world imposed economic sanctions on Iraq. Those sanctions were maintained after the war to compel the regime's compliance with Security Council resolutions. In time, Iraq was allowed to use oil revenues to buy food. Saddam Hussein has subverted this program, working around the sanctions to buy missile technology and military materials. He blames the suffering of Iraq's people on the United Nations, even as he uses his oil wealth to build lavish palaces for himself, and arms his country. By refusing to comply with his own agreements, he bears full guilt for the hunger and misery of innocent Iraqi citizens.

In 1991, Iraq promised U.N. inspectors immediate and unrestricted access to verify Iraq's commitment to rid itself of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles. Iraq broke this promise, spending seven years deceiving, evading and harassing U.N. inspectors before ceasing cooperation entirely. Just months after the 1991 cease-fire, the Security Council twice renewed its demand that the Iraqi regime cooperate fully with inspectors, "condemning" Iraq's "serious violations" of its obligations. The Security Council again renewed that demand in 1994 and twice more in 1996, "deploring" Iraq's "clear violations" of its obligations. The Security Council renewed its demand three more times in 1997, citing "flagrant violations" and three more times in 1998, calling Iraq's behavior "totally unacceptable." And in 1999, the demand was renewed yet again.

As we meet today, it has been almost four years since the last U.N. inspectors set foot in Iraq -- four years for the Iraqi regime to plan and build and test behind a cloak of secrecy.

We know that Saddam Hussein pursued weapons of mass murder even when inspectors were in the country. Are we to assume that he stopped when they left? The history, the logic and the facts lead to one conclusion. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger. To suggest otherwise is to hope against the evidence. To assume this regime's good faith is to bet the lives of millions and the peace of the world in a reckless gamble. And this is a risk we must not take.

Delegates to the General Assembly: We have been more than patient. We have tried sanctions. We have tried the carrot of "oil for food" and the stick of coalition military strikes. But Saddam Hussein has defied all these efforts and continues to develop weapons of mass destruction. The first time we may be completely certain he has nuclear weapons is when, God forbid, he uses one. We owe it to all our citizens to do everything in our power to prevent that day from coming.

The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of U.N. demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding or will it be irrelevant?

The United States helped found the United Nations. We want the U.N. to be effective and respected and successful. We want the resolutions of the world's most important multilateral body to be enforced. Right now these resolutions are being unilaterally subverted by the Iraqi regime. Our partnership of nations can meet the test before us, by making clear what we now expect of the Iraqi regime.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately and unconditionally forswear, disclose and remove or destroy all weapons of mass destruction, long-range missiles and all related material.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all support for terrorism and act to suppress it, as all states are required to do by U.N. Security Council resolutions.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will cease persecution of its civilian population, including Shi'a, Sunnis, Kurds, Turkomans and others -- again as required by Security Council resolutions.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will release or account for all Gulf War personnel whose fate is still unknown. It will return the remains of any who are deceased, return stolen property, accept liability for losses resulting from the invasion of Kuwait, and fully cooperate with international efforts to resolve these issues -- as required by the Security Council resolutions.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all illicit trade outside the oil-for-food program. It will accept U.N. administration of funds from that program, to ensure that the money is used fairly and promptly for the benefit of the Iraqi people.

If all these steps are taken, it will signal a new openness and accountability in Iraq. And it could open the prospect of the United Nations helping to build a government that represents all Iraqis -- a government based on respect for human rights, economic liberty and internationally supervised elections.

The United States has no quarrel with the Iraqi people, who have suffered for too long in silent captivity. Liberty for the Iraqi people is a great moral cause and a great strategic goal. The people of Iraq deserve it and the security of all nations requires it. Free societies do not intimidate through cruelty and conquest and open societies do not threaten the world with mass murder. The United States supports political and economic liberty in a unified Iraq.

We can harbor no illusions. Saddam Hussein attacked Iran in 1980, and Kuwait in 1990. He has fired ballistic missiles at Iran, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Israel. His regime once ordered the killing of every person between the ages of 15 and 70 in certain Kurdish villages in Northern Iraq. He has gassed many Iranians and 40 Iraqi villages.

My nation will work with the U.N. Security Council on a new resolution to meet our common challenge. If Iraq's regime defies us again, the world must move deliberately and decisively to hold Iraq to account. The purposes of the United States should not be doubted. The Security Council resolutions will be enforced -- the just demands of peace and security will be met -- or action will be unavoidable. And a regime that has lost its legitimacy will also lose its power.

Events can turn in one of two ways.

If we fail to act in the face of danger, the people of Iraq will continue to live in brutal submission. The regime will have new power to bully, dominate and conquer its neighbors, condemning the Middle East to more years of bloodshed and fear. The region will remain unstable, with little hope of freedom and isolated from the progress of our times. With every step the Iraqi regime takes toward gaining and deploying the most terrible weapons, our own options to confront that regime will narrow. And if an emboldened regime were to supply these weapons to terrorist allies, then the attacks of September 11th would be a prelude to far greater horrors.

If we meet our responsibilities, if we overcome this danger, we can arrive at a very different future. The people of Iraq can shake off their captivity. They can one day join a democratic Afghanistan and a democratic Palestine, inspiring reforms throughout the Muslim world. These nations can show by their example that honest government, and respect for women, and the great Islamic tradition of learning can triumph in the Middle East and beyond. And we will show that the promise of the United Nations can be fulfilled in our time.

Neither of these outcomes is certain. Both have been set before us. We must choose between a world of fear and a world of progress. We cannot stand by and do nothing while dangers gather. We must stand up for our security, and for the permanent rights and hopes of mankind. By heritage and by choice, the United States of America will make that stand. Delegates to the United Nations, you have the power to make that stand as well.

Thank you.


885 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:35 AM PDT by michigander
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Methinks this is about to get rather crowded:

But only because they recognize that it is inevitable now. Just repositioning to try and maintain some semblence of credibility from which to begin new campaigns of dissension, not from bravery.

Which is still a great testament to Bush's ability to herd cats.

886 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:43 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: wimpycat; PhiKapMom
Peter Jennings was fighting back tears last night after that ABC special, which was excellent, BTW.

Pretty amazing wasn't it.
And IIRC, ABC Evening News was the only place I saw the little kid run up from
the crowd and jump into Dubya's arms...insistent on a hug from the President.
Only to be followed by his brother on the same mission a few seconds later.
(This was at the Pennsylvania observance.)

I can't remember which network, but one reporter at the Penn. site said that
some of members of the victim's (Heroes, really) families, even if they
don't agree politically with Dubya, were really touched by the time he spent talking and
connecting with them at the human level.
(that's my paraphrase of the reporter's comment)

It was also interesting to hear The Michael Medved Show yesterday. He played the
major "evening news" lead-ins from 9-10-01
(aka "the day before").
He did give Jennings credit as he mentioned Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden that
evening due to the assassination of Massoud (Norther Alliance leader),
while Rather and Brokaw didn't cover it.

I think my favorite "zinger" was when Dubya responded to Scott Pelly's "you don't have
Osama bin Laden" with "How do you know that?" (on Sixty Minutes II).
and Dubya following up with "well, he ain't leading too many parades" in commenting
on the activities of Osama.
887 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:46 AM PDT by VOA
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To: PhiKapMom
Poor Aaron; he's been doing clean up duty for the dizzy dames at CNN; last night he had to explain to Connie Chung WHY Dick Cheney was in hiding. She just was floored that he wasn't out at a 9-11 thing.
888 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:48 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: fuzzthatwuz
Ok....Hillary in '04....make it, '08....damn, '12....of forget it.
889 posted on 09/12/2002 8:29:57 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Howlin
Just went over to Democratic Underground to see how the jerks would spin this.

Basically they are trashing his accent and pronounciation of words. No real repudiation of his points, just personal attacks that have nothing to do with the problem.

How Democratic of them...
890 posted on 09/12/2002 8:30:04 AM PDT by Crusher138
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To: thisiskubrick
Well, I suppose the subtext is that the international community needs to be treated like little kids.

Unfortunately yes

891 posted on 09/12/2002 8:30:17 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: usconservative
My luck sucks lately. I've missed the last 3-4 speeches by President Bush and everyone says they've been great

I'm sorry. My home schooling wife just taped it in case I'd be in a meeting.

I could send it to you, but I suspect you'll hear it before the day is up.

It was a masterful oratory.

892 posted on 09/12/2002 8:30:44 AM PDT by MassExodus
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To: AmericanInTokyo
LOL.......right......."What do you mean you've been hit by biological weapons, Scott. You SAID there weren't any!"
893 posted on 09/12/2002 8:30:48 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I know I know! Been to that site. BUT, that is what is needed! Need this Smoking Gun White House report in foreign languages ASAP! (And a quick Babel fish translation won't work because it will come out sounding like Yoda in a foreign language). Is USIS doing this report in foreign langauges? Now is the time to go on the offensive worldwide. I and my associates can get this to a number of decision makers.
894 posted on 09/12/2002 8:30:52 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Mo1
Hillary will be ''interviewed'' by Timmy Boy Russert this Sunday on Meet The Press. This could be another love fest like on letterman last night.
895 posted on 09/12/2002 8:31:03 AM PDT by shadeaud
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To: jjm2111
somehow I am not surprised to hear about the "save me first" attitude of the U.N. in the face of attack (reminds me of the men who put on women's clothing to get onto the Titanic lifeboats)
896 posted on 09/12/2002 8:31:09 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: Admin Moderator
It would be nice if you had a way to suck the posts off one thread and apply them to the other...
897 posted on 09/12/2002 8:31:21 AM PDT by babygene
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To: Mo1
"HA! .. does this mean Peter is with us??"

FOFLOL Well, that maybe a tad hopeful.... I mean, he didn't say, "Lettuce roll"

898 posted on 09/12/2002 8:31:27 AM PDT by Darlin'
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To: jjm2111
My acquaintance got back to her apartment and saw the evacuation of the UN building. All the "smarter people" were trampling each other. If someone fell, helping them up seemed to be the furthest thing from their minds. They almost knocked over the cops who were there to help them evacuate.

Nice, for once, that the U.N. is in NYC. They are on the front line.

899 posted on 09/12/2002 8:31:38 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
A friend told me that last night Jennings and one other regular commie news anchor also highly praised President Bush for his conduct yesterday, his speeches, his attention to all the families of those lost on 9-11, and now this!

I was watching Hardball yesterday because Peggy Noonan was on and Chris Matthews was saying how Bush was a great person etc, etc. Then he had THE BEAST on and she was trying to sound like Bush in his speeches. She was so obvious trying to score brownie points with the viewing public I couldn't stop laughing tears were rolling down my cheeks.

900 posted on 09/12/2002 8:31:55 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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