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To: LaGrone
"The change that has occured to Scott Ritter since he was an inspector in Iraq is appalling. It is the quintessential Jeckel and Hyde syndrome. Is he psycho or what??"

Perhaps. What we really know, as opposed to all these bozos who get on this forum and get emotional about the subject is this:

1. Ritter was a marine and served honorably.

2. He was distinguished enough to get a high-profile role on the US Inspection Team.

3. He was a vocal critic during the inspection time when he felt that the inspections were not fully effective and that they were prevented from getting everything and full access.

4. He later added that his conclusion was that the inspection team, led by Butler and with Butler's apparent approval, was in fact spying on Iraq, probably with the idea of a regime change, which was not something authorized by the Agreements, and certainly something that Hussein would not agree to.

5. If Saddam found out that this Inspection Team was spying (which he probably suspected would happen all the time) it would not be difficult to blame him for not cooperating with the Inspectors afterward.

Which leads us back to Butler. Who is this guy? Polished to be sure. But how do we know what HIS orders were? Was the whole inspection process a ruse to spy on and help get Hussein out of power? Was it designed to fail so we'd have an excuse to go after Hussein whenever and contain and eventually occupy Iraq?

Diplomacy has always had as a major component the art of deception. Why would this not be the case in this situation with so much at stake? We all know that Hussien was coaxed into invading Kuwait. John Sununu admitted in print a year before that we were trying to get him to make a provocative act. Remember the Supergun Saddam was building that was SO dangerous!!!

April Glaspie was instructed to tell Saddam's boys that we were hands off Kuwait, giving him a GREEN LIGHT! Does anyone remember that?!!

No, our government never lies. Its so much easier to just malign a fromer marine who may just be doing what he thinks is right and DAMN you all for not even giving him any consideration. He may be wrong and his motives may be suspect, but there's a lot of crap going on with disinformation on all sides.
141 posted on 09/12/2002 11:15:48 AM PDT by DrLiberty
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To: DrLiberty
Oh geez.....the black helicopter guy is back.
146 posted on 09/12/2002 11:16:41 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: DrLiberty
FOFLOL. How's that theory workin' for ya ? Anybody buyin' it ?
151 posted on 09/12/2002 11:26:42 AM PDT by Darlin'
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To: DrLiberty
You want a serious response? I'll fill in for my friend Howlin, who is obviously too busy to teach kindergarten today.

1. Ritter was a marine and served honorably.

Glad to hear it. That has zero relevance to the question at hand. Marines are not gods, nor are they omniscient, nor does the fact that one served in The Corps give everything they say the sheen of truth and honesty.

2. He was distinguished enough to get a high-profile role on the US Inspection Team.

Nice. Good for him. But what, exactly, does that have to do with the question at hand: Which Ritter to believe, Version 1998, or Version 2002?

3. He was a vocal critic during the inspection time when he felt that the inspections were not fully effective and that they were prevented from getting everything and full access.

Yes. This is what makes his current behavior so bizzare.

4. He later added that his conclusion was that the inspection team, led by Butler and with Butler's apparent approval, was in fact spying on Iraq, probably with the idea of a regime change, which was not something authorized by the Agreements, and certainly something that Hussein would not agree to.

Of course the U.N. inspectors were "spies" -- though overt ones. They were trying to determine whether or not Iraq was violating the terms of the cease fire. And let's note that the idea that Butler was a "spy" for the U.S. is backed up by nothing other than Ritter's opinion -- which happens to be Iraqi propaganda. Meanwhile, the existance of Iraq's ongoing WMD program is verified by several other U.N. inspectors and plenty of defected Iraqis. Based on that reality, I think we should look more suspiciously upon Ritter than on Butler.

5. If Saddam found out that this Inspection Team was spying (which he probably suspected would happen all the time) it would not be difficult to blame him for not cooperating with the Inspectors afterward.

Saddam didn't cooperate with inspectors from DAY ONE. And he used the "spy" excuse as propaganda -- just like the supposed "Baby Milk Factory" nonsense.

Aren't you just a little disturbed by the sight of a former Marine leading the press on Saddam-approved tours of innocent factories, as if that "proves" anything other than we are seeing what Saddam wants us to see? Aren't you a little disturbed by the realization that a former Marine takes the word of known murderers and liars over that of his own president? "Make the case, Mr. Bush"? The case has been made. But Ritter is either too brainwashed, paid-off, or delusional to see it.

And so, apparently, are you.

160 posted on 09/12/2002 11:40:23 AM PDT by seamus
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To: DrLiberty
What we really know, as opposed to all these bozos who get on this forum and get emotional about the subject is this:

You included?

You fall for the "former marine" business, like that precludes him from being a nut. In fact, this is an important point to understand why he turned.

He was upset with the way inspections were going. I found him persuasive in this regard. But so what? That was 1998 - why did he do a 180 on whether Saddam had MWD or not? The two are not logically dependent on each other.

The whole "spying" thing is nonsense - pretextual agitprop created by Saddam's people to interfere with inspections. Of course they were trying to make a case against Saddam - isn't it obvious he was hiding something? And assume there was "spying." What would that fact have to do with the fact that Ritter did a 180 on the existence of MWD and Saddam's capacity (not to mention will) to increase that capacity? Answer = nothing.

All Saddam's smoke and mirrors. It's a joke anyway that a team of inspectors could find everything in a country the size of Texas.

166 posted on 09/12/2002 11:43:29 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: DrLiberty
...DAMN you all...

Well up yours, too.

You must be a proctologist, 'cause you sound like an a$$hole.

268 posted on 09/12/2002 1:55:14 PM PDT by metesky
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To: DrLiberty
I'll stand by my questions of Scott Ritter thank you very much.

My point being he was extremely critical of Sadaam Hussein while he was a U.N. inspector in Iraq. His position now is 180 degrees from before. Shouldn't we have the right to question the cause for his change of heart. I think so.

380 posted on 09/12/2002 4:55:12 PM PDT by LaGrone
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To: DrLiberty
5. If Saddam found out that this Inspection Team was spying (which he probably suspected would happen all the time) it would not be difficult to blame him for not cooperating with the Inspectors afterward.

Uuh...dude that's what the Inspection Team was suppose to do IS spy on the Iraqis. Their job was to gather INFORMATION on Iraqi compliance whether it be overtly OR covertly.

390 posted on 09/12/2002 7:02:03 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: DrLiberty
I Can't speak fot the rest of the Former Marines on this Board but in my opinion Scott Ritter is suffering from "Lee Harvey Oswald" syndrome.

Married a russian wife, and is now doing what he thinks is right to save the world from tyranny. While those two may not seem connected both are, were dangerous deranged men that many marines would like to forget.




414 posted on 09/15/2002 1:35:54 AM PDT by usmcobra
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