Posted on 09/14/2002 5:32:18 AM PDT by Boonie Rat
Who is this Hornberger person? Anybody know?
# 33 by Ragin1
This is the first time I noticed his name.
He's writer at Lew Rockwell, so I'd be inclined to trust him
Posting Ron Paul's nonsense mutiple times a day doesn't make any more coherent.
No government gave up it's sovereignity by joining the United Nations treaty organization.... Why then is Iraq expected to surender it's right of self-defense at the order of that same foreign power
To: exodus
For the same reason Japan and Germany had to, they lost a war and signed surrender terms that required them to do so. What is so hard to understand about that?
# 34 by Gumption
An agreement made under duress has no force.
No man may be told to surrender his right of self-defense, not even if he was convicted of a crime.
No nation may be told to surrender it's right of self-defense, not even after losing a war.
However, when he failed to oust Sadaam and the economy went South, he ushered in the Presidency of Bill Clinton and we have suffered ever since. We now face similar circumstances with Junior riding the wave of patriotism and his popularity skyrocketing. If GW can get on top of our economy, he can go down as one of our all-time great Presidents. If he fails, we are set up for a fall.
Lew Rockwell is one of the leftiest antiAmerican creeps I've ever read.
Who needs Daschle or Boxer if you've got that guy.
I really cannot understand that anyone who would frequent Free Republic would be fooled in this way.
The concerted attemtps to publish this tripe indicates to me why.
Parasitic cockroaches.
You would allow guns in prison????????
Is any contract legal and binding, signed from the wrong end of the gun?
You're forgetting the agreement that Iraq signed after the Gulf War.
If Iraq proved that it had no WOD nor program to develop such, the sanctions would be lifted and Iraq could rejoin the family of civilized nations.
Iraq doesn't want to do this, of course, because Hussein is a lawless thug.
He's got to go.
To: exodus
You completely missed my point. If all the WEAPONS INSPECTORS say Saddam still HAS WMD's, except one, why bellow the beliefs of that one to bolster your argument? Especially when you consider the fact that Ritter is the only one who received money from Iraqi sources.
# 37 by Gumption
The messenger has nothing to do with my beliefs. I felt the same when we first went to war against Iraq at the order of the United Nations years ago.
Also, I didn't miss your point, I addressed your point.
"If every former and current member of the United Nations unanimously supported the hegemony of the U.N. over all the nations of the Earth, I would still say that our participation in the unlawful actions of the U.N. violate the Comstitution of our nation.
No nation gave up it's sovereignty by joining the United Nations treaty organization."
Absolutely. More libertarian speak:
Iraq "aggressed" against Kuwait, amongst others, of course. They were repelled and pursuant to the Rules of War signed an unconditional cease fire that contractually obligated them to certain requirements. They committed fraud by not living up to those agreements and are not the subject of non initiatory force because they initiated it in the first place.
To: exodus
If tomorrow, a "nuclear bloom" should appear over Tel Aviv, what should be the response?
# 39 by First_Salute
The response should be a legal Declaration of War against the attacker of our ally, Israel.
NOT a United Nations "resolution" ordering us to go to war.
We are a sovereign nation. We act under OUR law, not at the direction of a foreign power.
Gumption's comment #34 sums up my viewpoint perfectly. Perhaps you should read it again.
I really don't care what king we purchase our oil from.
The political spectrum is a circle. In reality, the far ight comes around to meet the far left and is virtually indistinguishable.
They're idiots, and Paul is an idiot.
A perfect summation of this thread. I need a shower, I'm outahere.
Besides, Ron Paul loves the UN these days - what do you have to say about that?
At least you admit that Iraq DID the deed.
If 2 of your neighbors were arguing over where their property line started, and they came to you and said "do you think my property starts at the tree line or at the big bush?". And you responded by saying "hey, that is none of my business." And then one of your neighbors attacked the other one and took over the others home, and killed everyone inside, would that mean you gave the green light to the aggressive party?
No nation gave up it's sovereignty by joining the United Nations treaty organization.
To: exodus
"...lets talk libertarian speak. Hussein put his name to contracts agreeing to certain penalties in return for a suspension of hostilities. He has fraudulently reneged on those contracts. Now, it is time to pay the piper. What philosophy is it that you adhere to that looks favorably on men who lie, break contracts..."
# 40 by jwalsh07
An agreement forced upon one of the parties has no force in law, and is void.
No matter what crimes Hussein committed, he is the sovereign of his nation, and is acting honorably when he collects weapons for the defense of his nation..
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