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To: exodus
Just as an individual is fully justified in lying and hiding his weapons, so a nation is justified in lying and hiding it's weapons from foreign invaders.

There is no civilization without law. There are a whole mess of bad-laws and confiscating privately owned weapons is one of them. It doesn't happen often...CA seems to have taken the lead in demanding some weapons be surrendered...and I would hope that is winding its way through the courts.

That said, the United States has not forced you to hide or lie ... unless you are a convicted felon ... on probation ... or parole and you desire to obtain a weapon.

The Iraqi regime has been on probation a long time ... and the world wants him to live up to the conditions of his parole ... and he doesn't want to...so, we are going to kick his ass into undifferentiated molecular soup just as the judge will do to you if you break parole.

We are just as sovereign today as we were when the United States signed its first treaty ... the only difference is that today ... the world is a quieter place because of the United Nations ... with a little help from its best friend, the USA.

Now, if you have neighbors, I suggest you moderate your position when it comes time to move the weeds from around your mailbox ... which just happens to be on your neighbors side of the road. Your weeds just might be his flowers... so talk to him ... and neither one of you has to give up any sovereignty to agree on how to tidy up the space.

We are about to tidy things up. I don't happen to agree that we should ... but we AND the UN have the right.

131 posted on 09/14/2002 6:20:00 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: harrowup
Just as an individual is fully justified in lying and hiding his weapons, so a nation is justified in lying and hiding it's weapons from foreign invaders.

To: exodus
There is no civilization without law. There are a whole mess of bad-laws and confiscating privately owned weapons is one of them. It doesn't happen often..."

That said, the United States has not forced you to hide or lie ... unless you are a convicted felon ... on probation ... or parole and you desire to obtain a weapon..."
# 131 by harrowup

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"It doesn't happen often" is not a very good defense.

It's also not true. I can read every day about a weapon being confiscated somewhere in our nation.

Illegal laws have forced many otherwise law abiding ex-cons to hide "illegal" weapons.

The fear of even more draconian laws to come has caused hundreds of thousands of other citizens to feel forced to hide weapons.

The illegal requirement to have every weapon registered with the government causes even more thousands of citizens to hide weapons that would be legal IF they were registered.

You put too much trust in our government.

206 posted on 09/14/2002 9:24:16 PM PDT by exodus
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To: harrowup
To: exodus
"...We are just as sovereign today as we were when the United States signed its first treaty ... the only difference is that today ... the world is a quieter place because of the United Nations ... with a little help from its best friend, the USA..."

"...We are about to tidy things up. I don't happen to agree that we should ... but we AND the UN have the right..."
# 131 by harrowup
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Today, the President is sovereign, NOT the people.

Our Constitution doesn't allow that.

The U.N. doesn't have the "right" to send our nation into war. That is a Congressional power.

We are supposed to be a Republic, with laws based upon our written Constitution.

With the President usurping the legislative power of war, and the Patriot Act legally superseding the Bill of Rights, our Rule of Law has been shown to be a toothless vestige of yesteryear.

208 posted on 09/14/2002 9:39:32 PM PDT by exodus
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