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It's Either Me or the G.O.P., Torricelli Tells Democrats
The New York Times ^ | 9/14/02 | Laura Mansnerus

Posted on 09/14/2002 12:57:26 PM PDT by GeneD

MONTCLAIR, N.J. — Chip Casto is a reliable Democrat, unable to recall ever voting for a Republican. When he considered registering as an independent years ago, said Mr. Casto, 36, his parents would not hear of it.

But his party affiliation is not making his choice in the United States Senate race in New Jersey an easy one. Mr. Casto, a teacher, cites "the incident" — the Senate Ethics Committee's rebuke of Senator Robert G. Torricelli for improperly accepting gifts — and says "that initial impression is hard to get over." He is still deciding whether to vote for Mr. Torricelli on Nov. 5.

Many Democrats here find themselves in a similar quandary. Increasingly, many see the race as not just a contest between Mr. Torricelli and his Republican challenger, Douglas R. Forrester, but a choice between a senator they view as ethically compromised and the risk of a Republican-controlled Senate.

This is a view that Mr. Torricelli would like more voters to take in an increasingly Democratic state, which now has a Democratic governor, two Democratic senators, a Democratic State Assembly and an evenly divided State Senate.

But since he was "severely admonished" by his Senate colleagues in July, his once-formidable base has turned spongy enough that two polls released this week show Mr. Forrester with a slight lead among likely voters and an unusually high percentage of Democrats wavering.

In the independent Quinnipiac University Poll, 29 percent of registered Democrats said they did not think that Mr. Torricelli had "the honesty and integrity to serve effectively" as a senator. In the Star-Ledger/Eagleton-Rutgers Poll, only 50 percent of Democrats said they held a positive opinion of him, while 35 percent said they were reserving judgment.

So, with Democrats holding a single-vote majority in the Senate, Mr. Torricelli is casting his campaign as a choice between a Democratic Senate and a Republican one. What the campaign is about, he says, is not personalities, but a conservative tide that would overturn the Roe v. Wade decision, turn back hard-won environmental protections and plunge the nation into war.

"That's the best issue that Torricelli's got," said Larry Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. "The only strong argument he's got left is party control of the Senate."

The argument seems to play well in this town full of Democrats, which gave Mr. Torricelli 70 percent of the vote in 1996 and the new United States senator, Jon S. Corzine, 72 percent in 2000.

Of course some Democrats have no trouble with the decision.

Jessica de Koninck, a lawyer and former council member in Montclair, said that Mr. Torricelli represented her views on almost every issue, including abortion and gun control.

"I'm not finding it a difficult choice," she said. "Torricelli is not a warm and fuzzy guy, but that's not in my top criteria."

Others have more misgivings, though many say that they will probably stick with Mr. Torricelli in the end.

"I have struggles with it," said David Szmak, a psychologist who said he nonetheless planned to vote for Mr. Torricelli. He said that in addition to the threat of war, "I'm concerned about the role of social services, about shortchanging our poor while rewriting the tax laws" to favor the wealthy.

Down the street, the Rev. Judy Tomlinson, on her way home from the Unitarian Church of Montclair, said she would probably vote for Mr. Torricelli "in spite of everything" because control of the Senate "is very overriding."

"It has to do with things like choice," she said, "things like judicial appointments — that's probably the most important — and I feel we have to have checks and balances in Washington if we are going to keep our civil liberties."

But New Jersey's Senate race is just one of a half-dozen that will determine the balance of the Senate, Professor Sabato said. He said that if Republicans were behind in other states, some of the more sophisticated Democrats could vote against Mr. Torricelli without worrying too much about tipping the Senate.

The Democrats begin with a considerable advantage in New Jersey. Among registered voters, 25 percent are Democrats and 18.6 percent are Republicans. While almost all the rest are unaffiliated, voters broke decisively for Al Gore in the 2000 presidential race and for James E. McGreevey in the governor's race last year.

In the Quinnipiac poll, among those who said that the prospect of the Democrats losing the Senate would affect their vote, two-thirds said they were more likely to vote for Mr. Torricelli.

"I've thought about it as I've read about him," said a woman in Montclair who did not want to be identified because of her job as a teacher. "I think what he did was wrong, but I can't in good conscience let the Republicans get control of the political process."

David P. Rebovich, the managing director of the Rider University Institute for New Jersey Politics, said many Democrats would reach the same conclusion. "The Democrats who have fallen off are the ones most likely to be swayed by the argument that the Senate is at stake," Mr. Rebovich said.

But Cliff Zukin, the director of the Star-Ledger/Eagleton-Rutgers Poll, said: "I don't think voters are that analytical, most of them. And most people left to decide at the end tend to be the least analytical and informed. To depend on that is dangerous."

Mr. Zukin's latest poll found a "great lack of enthusiasm" among Democrats, he said. When asked how much interest they have in the race, just 35 percent of Democrats replied "a lot," while 44 percent of independent voters and 47 percent of Republicans did. "For independents to have more interest in a race than Democrats is remarkable," Mr. Zukin said.

In the last few years, though, New Jersey's Democratic Party has fired up a formidable get-out-the-vote effort, especially in Hudson and Essex Counties, that has delivered more votes than polls had predicted. Bonnie Watson Coleman, the chairwoman of the Democratic State Committee and an Assembly member from Trenton, said that after "a slow period when the Ethics Committee thing came out," environmental and women's groups and, most of all, labor organizations, were helping because of what was at stake.

The potential loss of the Senate "is very motivating," Ms. Watson Coleman said.

But even in firmly Democratic urban areas, more than the usual amount of persuasion may be needed.

In Newark, Dominic Nemmi, a flower vendor, said of Mr. Torricelli: "It's tough to believe him now. I don't think all the dealings got in the way of him being a decent senator, but I am not sure if he'll get my vote this time around."

Lorraine Cryan, a clerk who lives in Elizabeth, described Mr. Torricelli as "not a person I think should be in government."

"But I will have to wait and see about other issues before casting my vote," she said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: douglasforrester; roberttorricelli; ussenate
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1 posted on 09/14/2002 12:57:26 PM PDT by GeneD
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To: GeneD
Is anyone surprised by this? Dems would rather elect crooks than Republicans. We've known that for years.
2 posted on 09/14/2002 1:01:32 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna
I dunno, i might rather vote on crooks than democrats. depends on how crooked the crook and depends on how critical the crook is to the party control. I totally understand these folks... there are things a lot more important than one man's petty crookedness.
3 posted on 09/14/2002 1:05:50 PM PDT by zeromus
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To: GeneD
He should have been indicted and expelled from the Senate. Instead he will probably be back in January. What a disgrace. And they just go along with it to preserve Roe Vs. Wade, the biggest priority of Democrats these days? It sure seems that way. Anyone really believe Republicans will re-gain control the Senate in 2003? Look at the voter fraud in Florida. It will likely happen everywhere in the many close races, that is my greatest fear now. What can we do to stop it??
4 posted on 09/14/2002 1:09:24 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: Dianna
Most voted TWICE for Bill...

We should be suprised?

5 posted on 09/14/2002 1:18:38 PM PDT by listenhillary
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To: GeneD
Disgusting - NYSlime campaigning for Torch. Funny how they found so many people deeply comcerned about the loss of the senate.

The Slime can find no DemonRat that is not far superior to any Republican.

No bias here, move along now.

6 posted on 09/14/2002 1:23:48 PM PDT by mcenedo
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To: GeneD
Mr. Casto is 36 and seeks the approval of his parents before registering with a political party???
7 posted on 09/14/2002 1:26:23 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: GeneD
"I have struggles with it," said David Szmak, a psychologist who said he nonetheless planned to vote for Mr. Torricelli. He said that in addition to the threat of war, "I'm concerned about the role of social services, about shortchanging our poor while rewriting the tax laws" to favor the wealthy.

Mr. Szmak, of course, completely misses the fact that his vote for Torricelli - a man who believes that laws don't apply to him - sets a dangerous precedent. He's helping to put Torricelli in a position to be able to cheat EVERYONE, no matter what their social standing.

And let's keep in mind, this is an "intelligent" democratic voter. Most of 'em just look for the "D" and push the button. It's this combination, my friends, that will send Torricelli back to the US Senate.

8 posted on 09/14/2002 1:27:21 PM PDT by dbwz
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To: GeneD
What strikes me is that the Democrats can say this in every state if they wanted to. Tim Johnson could say this in South Dakota. It doesn't have to be limited to people with ethical lapses or criminal activity.

The Democrats could use this as a last-ditch, desperation play at a unifying national theme. It would be a pathetic theme, but it could work. We all saw the effect that the voters of Florida had in 2000. Why wouldn't the voters of South Dakota or New Jersey think they could do the same thing and tip the scale in their favor, even if it means voting in a scoundrel? If they all do it, then who knows?

-PJ

9 posted on 09/14/2002 1:29:03 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: GeneD
The morally bankrupt Dems selling their souls. Par for the course.
10 posted on 09/14/2002 1:31:42 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: zeromus
But that's the problem- party loyalty vs. voting for the lesser of two evils... it's what keeps Congress corrupt.
11 posted on 09/14/2002 1:32:29 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: GeneD
Two points:
1. If any of these people believe Torricelli was not a slime bucket, his comment that its either me or the Reps ought to prove differently.
2. The article interviews a teacher, a reverend and a "doctor" in (I would guess) an attempt to lend credibility to the argument. These are suppose to be well educated, upstanding members of their community and yet they have no problem blindly following a corrupt party in its desperate attempt to remain in power.
12 posted on 09/14/2002 2:01:55 PM PDT by moneypenny
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To: GeneD
Why would a baby-murderer have any compunction about voting for a crook anyway? The expressions of angst are phony, spin for the consumption of various audiences as usual. Of course they know they will vote for the crook in the end, as usual!
13 posted on 09/14/2002 2:09:51 PM PDT by c-five
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To: Dianna
the Senate Ethics Committee's rebuke of Senator Robert G. Torricelli for improperly accepting gifts — and says "that initial impression is hard to get over." He is still deciding whether to vote for Mr. Torricelli on Nov. 5.

This is the ugly, contorted face of the Dems. Torricelli is a criminal for all intents and purposes and here is this numbnut dembuttlick deciding wether or not to vote for him?

What a bunch of sorry, sick, twisted, scumbags you Dems have become.

Go fawn over your lip biting pervert!

14 posted on 09/14/2002 2:13:16 PM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: GeneD
It's Either Me or the G.O.P., Torricelli Tells Democrats

Wow, it's two, two, two wins in one!

15 posted on 09/14/2002 2:15:47 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: GeneD

16 posted on 09/14/2002 2:25:50 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: Dianna
just remember, many of the interviewes are well educated professionals. They demand gun control abortions when you want and really remember they are very concerned about Not the country. Donkeys!! I don't know how these people can live with themselves.
17 posted on 09/14/2002 2:40:24 PM PDT by captnorb
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To: GeneD
The STENCH in the democrat caucus must be gut wrenching..

No class, no honor, no credibility, no sense, no vision, no love of country and stupid to boot....

A major POX on the asses...
Semper Fi

18 posted on 09/14/2002 2:47:36 PM PDT by river rat
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To: GeneD
Kind of tells you a lot about the morality of these people, doesn't it? Well, I guess scum deserves nothing better to represent them then scum. Hope they realize that if they do manage to send him back to the senate, he'll be totally powerless and NJ will get nothing.
19 posted on 09/14/2002 2:48:44 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: BonnieJ
Look at the voter fraud in Florida. It will likely happen everywhere

Methinks you are right. Vote fraud and liberal socialist activist judges are the largest part of the DemocRAT plan to steal this Nation and it's wealth. Governance by the worthless and unworthy, it's the American way.

20 posted on 09/14/2002 2:54:51 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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