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Florida Terror-Alert Students Refuse Lie Tests
NewsMax.com ^ | 9/18/02 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 09/17/2002 10:37:06 PM PDT by kattracks

Three Muslim medical students who were stopped by police on Friday and interrogated for 17-hours after allegedly making jokes and threats related to the 9-11 anniversary have declined to take lie detector tests to back up their denials.

The refusal came after their accuser, Georgia resident Eunice Stone, said she'd be willing to submit to a lie test to prove her story, challenging them to do the same.

"While the young men were willing to take a polygraph.... we didn't want them to take a polygraph at this time," said the students' lawyer, Khummar Wahid, in an interview Tuesday night on MSNBC's "Phil Donahue Show."

"There's some scientific problems with taking a polygraph," complained Wahid, who is part of a legal team representing the three students assembled by the Council on American Islamic Relations.

Wahid said he also feared the test may be used as evidence against his clients, explaining, "at this time we're not 100 percent confident that the FDLE or Georgia or the FBI won't be in some way trying to file some sort of criminal charges here."

While he didn't expect his clients to be charged with a crime, the CAIR lawyer said he has yet to be told officially that they're in the clear. "We haven't gotten any real assurances publicly from (law enforcement) that they're not going to pursue anything here," he told Donahue.

The three Muslim students claim tipster Stone got it wrong when she called law enforcement on Thursday to report she overheard them while dining at a Georgia Shoney's restaurant making what sounded like plans for another terrorist attack on America.

"If they mourned 9-11, what will they think of 9-13?" one of the three said, according to the earwitness. "Do we have enough to bring it down?" the same student added, Stone said. "If we don't have enough to bring it down, I have contacts. We will get enough to bring it down," a second student allegedly replied.

According to reports the next day, a bomb sniffing dog in Florida later detected the presence of explosives in one of the students' vehicles after they were detained, but the FBI released the trio Friday without charges.

The students maintained that they made no references to 9-11 while dining at Shoney's and claimed that Stone had misinterpreted the rest of their comments.

Mrs. Stone told Donahue that if she had it to do over again, she'd do the same thing.

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To: kattracks
jmichel@larkinhospital.com

This is the e-mail addy, in case anyone wants to write to Larkin Hospital and tell them your thoughts.
81 posted on 09/19/2002 12:00:29 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: John T. Kennedy
Yes, people like that are why its 99.99% and not 100.

He is not your typical polygraphie...

My point is that the average person is not equipped to trick the polygraph, even if they download all those nice little 'how to' guides from the internet.

I guarantee you those guys in question (in this post) are no Aldrich Ames. Additionally, I never said rely on it solely. It is simply one important tool amongst many.

82 posted on 09/19/2002 12:52:04 AM PDT by solmar_israel
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To: John T. Kennedy
There are already people on FR calling for their heads - that's who cares.

This issue has brought out quite a few hang'em-from-the-closest-tree types. I forget that the Jerry Springer audience hangs around here until something like this shows up. It's times like this when you realize that alcohol and FR don't mix so well.

83 posted on 09/19/2002 12:54:51 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: solmar_israel
Yes, people like that are why its 99.99% and not 100

If you did an actual scientific study of it you'd find that it was nothing like 99% acurate. It's junk science.

84 posted on 09/19/2002 1:04:00 AM PDT by John T. Kennedy
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To: John T. Kennedy
I didn't say the polygraph is 99% accurate.

I said a clear positive, when administered by a professional (for example, someone doing background checks at the CIA, or a cop with a lot of experience) is 99.99% accurate.

85 posted on 09/19/2002 1:11:19 AM PDT by solmar_israel
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To: kattracks
Well in my opinion I think the woman was telling the truth Here is what happened IMO.....the men were royally pissed off at being "singled out" as terrorists everywhere they went after 9/11 because of their ethnicity. So they decided to get even by giving people something to really sweat about. I don't think they counted on the woman taking serious action and they thought they would continue on with the rest of their day like nothing ever happened. She would have to be a mental nutcase to go after 3 men for absolutely no reason right after a pleasant breakfast with her son. Those people are out there though.

My opinion on polygraphs is that they are very good. I think they're correct 90% of the time, if not more. Personally I think incorrect results are false negatives in favor of liars.
86 posted on 09/19/2002 1:50:51 AM PDT by MadisonA
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To: John T. Kennedy
They are spouting lies.

Few young men are capable of telling the truth when they've done something really stupid, never mind that as Muslims their religion allows them to lie to non-Muslims.

So you go right ahead and have a snit over this. But I tell you, they are lying and Eunice Stone is telling the truth.

87 posted on 09/20/2002 10:53:08 PM PDT by goody2shooz
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To: John T. Kennedy
"...calling for their heads..."

Puh-leeze! You're exagerrating.

These three young men did something really, really stupid and they ended up with a lot of negative attention. More than likely their relatives all jumped down their throats and now to save face the three are spouting lies.

Taking a polygraph for something like this is not a life or death event, it is a "no brainer". The fact they've refused, and Eunice Stone has not speaks volumns about her integrity.

Coming clean and telling the truth would be mature. Frankly, I wouldn't want any of the three as my doctor, since they neither tell the truth nor take responsibility for their actions.

88 posted on 09/20/2002 11:01:45 PM PDT by goody2shooz
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To: Dante3
4. to make a fuss to discourage others from reporting suspicious behavior. Would they do that?... Do ya think they're planning something?[/sarcasm]
89 posted on 09/20/2002 11:15:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: kattracks
The refusal came after their accuser, Georgia resident Eunice Stone, said she'd be willing to submit to a lie test to prove her story, challenging them to do the same.

Hmmm, I believe this woman's telling the truth, and the three muslim types are liars.

90 posted on 09/20/2002 11:21:10 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: goody2shooz
Taking a polygraph for something like this is not a life or death event, it is a "no brainer". The fact they've refused, and Eunice Stone has not speaks volumns about her integrity.

Do you draw the same conclusion about Anita Hill, who took a polygraph, and Clarence Thomas, who wouldn't?

91 posted on 09/22/2002 5:47:19 PM PDT by John T. Kennedy
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To: Hildy; toenail
Hildy, toenail's entirely correct about polygraphs. They are notoriously unreliable. "...in the hands of a properly trained expert" in the case of polygraphs is like saying, "Well, a real psychic can so see the future".
92 posted on 09/22/2002 5:56:47 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: The FRugitive
Please tell me you're jokeing.

I don't think so, but we can hope. However, given the high level of knee-jerk jingoism on a lot of threads....If someone came up with the idea of singing "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy" while waving a U.S. flag with one hand and the other one resting on the Bible in order to demonstrate their "with us"-ness, some of these people would declare those who declined such a moronic exercise as being "with the terrorists". Yeah, witches can't be drowned so our experience indicates either a non-existent population of witches, due to all the drowned non-witches, (which can't be true because we know there are witches) or a specialized ability of witches to avoid having to take the test. Because of this, we can see that anyone who is against the test must, therefore, be either a witch or a witch supporter!

In the case of Muslim terrorists, there exists, indeed, the equivalent of witches. Some people, though, caught up in the hysteria of trying to apprehend them, see every means proposed as being reliable on account of what it promises to deliver, not on what it actually can deliver. Because of this, they see any criticism of the means as support of that which the means was intended to detect. This is truly reasoning on the brain stem level.
93 posted on 09/22/2002 6:09:39 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: John T. Kennedy
Yes.
94 posted on 09/24/2002 2:13:17 AM PDT by goody2shooz
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