[shaggy eel]

,,, you're right Muttly. I was brought up with good manners and they had a value attached to them. Now, our culture seems to define a gentleman as one who takes the weight on his elbows.

It's easy to pick someone, male or female, who can identify with manners and they're worthy of such courtesy. Womyn are easy to profile and if my path crosses with their path, they're treated as equals - very easy.

[PoorMuttly]

My Dad was once empowered to oversee the refurbishment of a high fashion salon on 7th. Ave., NYC some years ago. He sent a man to the hardware store to get a new sign for the rest room. The man came back with a "Ladies" sign.

The famous Lt.Col. eyebrow went up...he handed the sign back, and added to his Garment Industry reputation with the words: "Ladies do not leave a rest room in this condition. Take it back, and get one that says "Women."

[Conservababe]

I think we are confusing the true gentleman with one who merely has manners. Not so, as it runs much deeper.