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Germany - Editor confirms Justice Minister compared Bush to Hitler - Schroeder expresses regret
DPA and AFP via Babelfish translation | September 20, 2002

Posted on 09/20/2002 12:46:36 PM PDT by HAL9000

"Swabian Tagblatt" editor-in-chief accuses Daeubler Gmelin lies

Hamburg (dpa) - which editor-in-chief of the "Swabian day sheet", Christoph Mueller, has Federal Secretary of Justice Herta Daeubler Gmelin of the lie accused. After its appearance before the federal press conference he said to the "world on Sunday", it never humans lying thus saw like Herta Daeubler Gmelin. Die minister had before denied the Iraq politics of US president George W. Bush with methods of the Nazis to have compared. The "Swabian day sheet" had brought the affair around Daeubler Gmelin with a report over its alleged comparison in rolling.

Schroeder turns because of Daeubler Gmelin in letter at Bush

(AFP) After the alleged Hitler comparison of Federal Secretary of Justice Herta Daeubler Gmelin turned Federal Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder (both SPD) personally in a letter at US president George W. Bush. "I would like to insure you that at my cabinet table nobody has place, which brings the American president with a criminal in connection", stressed Schroeder in the letter, which was present the press agency AFP on Friday. It regrets it much that Bush by the alleged comparison with Adolf Hitler "deeply hurt" is. Daeubler Gmelin has it insured that she did not make it attributed expressions, defended the chancellor its law minister. </blockquote.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; daeublergmelin; hitler; schroeder
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1 posted on 09/20/2002 12:46:36 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
The internet sure forces leftists to be accountable for their speach.
2 posted on 09/20/2002 12:50:10 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative; Jim Robinson
speach = speech

I sure wish I could use a spell checker when I am posting a reply.

3 posted on 09/20/2002 12:51:56 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: HAL9000
Your fish is floating.
4 posted on 09/20/2002 12:54:48 PM PDT by js1138
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To: HAL9000
Babelfish looks broken. For good measure, I took the translated French, and translated it back into French, then into English again. Perhaps this is more understandable:

After the pled comparison of Hitler of the federal secretary of justice Herta Daeubler Gmelin turned the federal chancellor Gerhard Schroeder (two SPD) personally in a letter to the President George W Bush of the USA "I would like to ensure you that with my table of box nobody has the place, which brings the American president with a criminal in connection", Schroeder subjected to a constraint in the letter, who was present the agency of pressure AFP Friday. She regrets it much that the bush by the comparison pled with Adolf Hitler "deeply wounded" is. Daeubler Gmelin ensured that it did not make him allotted expressions, defended the chancellor his minister of law.
5 posted on 09/20/2002 1:02:56 PM PDT by jae471
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To: jae471
Nothing short of her being FIRED will be good enough....

She went before the media and denied this repeatly.....

6 posted on 09/20/2002 1:06:15 PM PDT by Dog
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To: HAL9000
Like I said, she's toast. Schroeder can't fire her immediately because the election is only 36 hours away. But with Daubler-Gmelin still in office (and everyone knows she is lying), it's like an albatross hanging on his neck.

His semi-conservative challenger, Bavarian governor Edmund Stoiber, also put his foot in his mouth yesterday but less seriously. His party had been trailing in the polls but now they are back in the race.

In related news, German media are reporting an "unprecedented" firestorm of e-mail anger from the United States, with Americans swearing to boycott German products and using colorful language to share their feelings.

She got FREEPED but good :-) :-)
7 posted on 09/20/2002 1:10:18 PM PDT by tictoc
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To: Paleo Conservative
If you are using IE go Here to get a spell check plug in.
8 posted on 09/20/2002 1:19:02 PM PDT by mikesmad
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To: HAL9000
Time we bombed a few sauerkraut factories.
9 posted on 09/20/2002 1:24:50 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: HAL9000
I'd prefer Heinrich Schnibble's translations to BabelFish's efforts.

Remember Herr Schnibble's old Sat. Eve. Post humor item with the wacko faux-German prose?
It's preserved chiefly in mock-German orders on decals.."Nicht poken sie fingeren...!"
10 posted on 09/20/2002 1:50:19 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Paleo Conservative
We spend a lot of taxpayer money to keep US troops in Germany. Looks like we should be removing some.

Another thing to keep in mind is Mohammed Atta and some of the other hijackers lived and planned their attacks from Germany. Why did Germany give them sanctuary ? How many other terrorists are still in Germany?

11 posted on 09/20/2002 1:50:51 PM PDT by MarkM
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To: tictoc
THERE IS A GOD! Bawhahahhahhaha...stick it to her, she's done!
12 posted on 09/20/2002 1:51:03 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: HAL9000
for a more accurate translation, please go to www.engrish.com

thank you.
13 posted on 09/20/2002 1:52:28 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: HAL9000
I worked for a Swiss company for about ten years, so while I don't actually speak German, I am sorta familiar with the syntax.

Hamburg (dpa) - which editor-in-chief of the "Swabian day sheet", Christoph Mueller, has Federal Secretary of Justice Herta Daeubler Gmelin of the lie accused.

Editor-in-chief Christoph Mueller, of the "Swabian Day Sheet", has accused Secretary of Justice Herta Daeubler Gmelin of LYING.

After its appearance before the federal press conference he said to the "world on Sunday", it never humans lying thus saw like Herta Daeubler Gmelin.

Mueller says he never saw another human LIE like Herta Daeubler Gmelin did at the federal press conference. (I am assuming "World on Sunday" is either another publication or a TV show)

Die minister had before denied the Iraq politics of US president George W. Bush with methods of the Nazis to have compared.The minster (Daeubler Gmelin) had earlier denied comparing Bush's Iraq policy with the methods of the Nazis.

14 posted on 09/20/2002 2:06:00 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: HAL9000
Second paragraph's a little harder to make sense of, but here goes:

After the alleged Hitler comparison of Federal Secretary of Justice Herta Daeubler Gmelin turned Federal Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder (both SPD) personally in a letter at US president George W. Bush.

After the alleged Hitler comparison by Federal Secretary of Justice Gmelin, Federal Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder [contradicted or decried it, or withdrew his previous support] personally in a letter to US PREsident George W Bush.

"I would like to insure you that at my cabinet table nobody has place, which brings the American president with a criminal in connection", stressed Schroeder in the letter, which was present the press agency AFP on Friday. It regrets it much that Bush by the alleged comparison with Adolf Hitler "deeply hurt" is.

"I would like to assure you that nobody has a place at my cabinet table, who would compare the American President to a criminal," stressed Schroeder in the letter, which was presented to to press agency AFP on Friday. He expressed regret that Bush had been "deeply hurt" by the alleged comparison to Adolf Hitler.

Daeubler Gmelin has it insured that she did not make it attributed expressions, defended the chancellor its law minister.

BUT Daeubler Gmelin has assured him that she did not make the statements attributed to her, said the chancellor in defense of his minister.

So I'd say he's still standing by his minister. And that sure doesn't Herta to hear. :D

15 posted on 09/20/2002 2:19:39 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: HAL9000
Naturally, someone who actually spoke German could probably do even better with the original text, but I spent many years struggling to make heads or tails out of the strange faxes in English that came in from the Zurich office every day. If I didn't get an angry phone call by the afternoon, I knew I had translated their English pretty successfully.
16 posted on 09/20/2002 2:25:06 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
Here is the latest from the newspaper that broke the story - with Babelfish translation -

http://www.cityinfonetz.de/index.php?objekt=ST&seite=Tagesthema&id=4334

Wirbel um Herta Däubler-Gmelin

Heftige Kritik nach Bush-Äußerungen/Ministerin dementiert/Ohrenzeugen bestätigen TAGBLATT-Bericht

TÜBINGEN. Der TAGBLATT-Bericht am Donnerstag über Herta Däubler-Gmelins Äußerungen über den US-Präsidenten George Bush hat in Tübingen und Berlin große Wellen geschlagen. Die Oppositionsparteien forderten den Rücktritt der Bundesjustizministerin, sie selber dementierte am Donnerstag ihre Aussagen vom Mittwoch. Das TAGBLATT bleibt bei seiner Darstellung, die auch von anderen Ohrenzeugen nicht bestritten wird.

Wie am Donnerstag berichtet, hatte die Tübinger SPD-Bundestagsabgeordnete bei einem Gespräch mit etwa 30 Metall-Gewerkschafter(inne)n in der Derendinger Sportgaststätte gesagt, Bush wolle mit einem Krieg gegen den Irak “von innenpolitischen Problemen ablenken”. Dies sei eine beliebte Methode. “Das hat auch Hitler schon gemacht.” Anschließend stellte sie klar: “Ich habe nicht die Personen Bush und Hitler miteinander verglichen, sondern die Methoden.”

Die “Financial Times Deutschland”, die überregionale Zeitung mit dem spätesten Redaktionsschluss, zitierte bereits am Donnerstag ausführlich aus unserem Bericht. Im Laufe des Vormittags griffen auch andere Medien (unter anderem “Spiegel-Online”) das Thema auf. Daraufhin forderten mehrere CDU- und FDP-Funktionäre den Rücktritt der Bundesjustizministerin.

In einer ersten Presseerklärung bezeichnete das Justizministerium den TAGBLATT-Bericht als “verzerrend”. Am Nachmittag bestritt Däubler-Gmelin auf dem Stuttgarter Flughafen ihre Aussagen. Laut dpa sagte sie: “Mir täte es leid, wenn diese Angelegenheit auch nur einen Schatten auf die Achtung werfen würde, die ich vor dem amerikanischen Präsidenten habe.”

Dagegen bezeichnete US-Regierungssprecher Ari Fleischer bei einer Pressekonferenz im Weißen Haus Däubler-Gmelins Zitate vom Mittwoch als “out rageous” (empörend).

In den Abendnachrichten des ZDF bestätigte Bernd Melchert, der Vorsitzende des Walter-Betriebsrats und Diskussionsleiter der Derendinger Veranstaltung, dass die Ministerin einen Zusammenhang zwischen den “Methoden” Bushs und Hitlers hergestellt habe.

Allerdings habe sie auch betont, damit wolle sie nicht die beiden Männer vergleichen (so wurde sie am Donnerstag auch im TAGBLATT zitiert). Auch Peter Schütze, der Vorsitzende des Flender-Betriebsrats, bestätigte am Donnerstag per Telefon “den Tenor” unseres Berichts.

Mitstreiter und politische Gegner der Ministerin, die wir am Donnerstag befragten, zeigten sich überrascht über die in unserer Zeitung zitierten Äußerungen. “Es rutscht einem manchmal etwas heraus. Das soll man nicht überbewerten”, fand Winfried Kretschmann, der am Donnerstag Gast in unserer Redaktion war.

Doch der Chef der baden-württembergischen Landtagsfraktion der Grünen betonte auch seinen Grundsatz: “Jeder Vergleich eines demokratischen Politikers mit Hitler ist degoutant. Es sollte sich für jeden Demokraten schlichtweg verbieten, einen demokratisch gewählten Politiker in die Nähe zu rücken.”

“So wie’s im Blatt berichtet wurde, ist’s offensichtlich nicht gewesen”, ist Gerd Weimer, früherer SPD-Landtagsabgeordneter und Erster Bürgermeister von Tübingen, überzeugt. Herta Däubler-Gmelin habe ihm gesagt, dass es sich um eine “verzerrende Darstellung” dessen handle, was sie erklärt habe. Von daher erübrige sich eine inhaltliche Stellungnahme.

Däubler-Gmelins Wahlkreis-Konkurrentin Annette Widmann-Mauz (CDU) war am Donnerstag nicht zu erreichen. “Sie äußert sich dazu nicht, weil die Äußerung für sich spricht”, hieß es in ihrem Büro. Peter Wilhelm, Bundestagskandidat der FDP, urteilte zurückhaltend. “Ich möchte nicht polemisch werden. Ich glaube, Frau Däubler-Gmelin hat es so gemeint, wie es da steht: dass es keine neue Methode ist, mit einer äußeren Bedrohung von innenpolitischen Problemen abzulenken.”

Allerdings sei es fraglich, ob der Name Hitler hätte fallen müssen. Es handle sich durchaus um “ein starkes Stück”, eine “unglückliche Äußerung”, die möglicherweise einen “traurigen Höhepunkt” eines Anti-Amerikanismus darstelle, der sich wie ein roter Faden seit zwei Wochen durch die Politik ziehe.

Heike Hänsel, die für die PDS kandidiert, hält einen Vergleich der Methoden auch historisch für falsch. “Hitler hat nicht von innenpolitischen Problemen abgelenkt, sondern einen Wirtschaftsaufschwung durch Kriegsvorbereitungen inszeniert.” Sie lehne solche Vergleiche “auch in Ansätzen grundsätzlich ab”.

Nachdem der Kanzler von einem “deutschen Weg” gesprochen hat, sei die Friedensbewegung jetzt in der Situation, der Regierung sagen zu müssen, dass sie “einen anti-amerikanischen Zungenschlag hat”. Man brauche keinen deutschen, sondern einen zivilen Weg der Konfliktlösung, fordert Hänsel. Es gehe darum, die Uno international gegenüber dem Unilateralismus der USA zu stärken. Das sei jedoch “durch die beiden letzten Kriege, bei denen Frau Däubler-Gmelin kein Problem hatte mit dem US-Präsidenten und dem US-Rechtssystem”, verhindert worden.

Eddy around Herta Daeubler Gmelin

Violent criticism after Bush Aeusserungen/Ministerin disclaim/ear-witness confirm day sheet report

TÜBINGEN. The day sheet report on Thursday over Herta Daeubler Gmelins expressions over the US president George Bush struck large waves in Tübingen and Berlin. The opposition parties demanded the resignation of the Federal Secretary of Justice, it disclaimed on Thursday its statements of Wednesday. The DAY SHEET remains during its representation, which is not denied also by other ear witnesses.

How reports on Thursday, the Tuebinger had said SPD Members of the Bundestag with a discussion with approximately 30 metal Gewerkschafter(inne)n in the Derendinger sport restaurant, Bush wanted with a war against the Iraq von problems relating to domestic affairs ablenken. This is a popular method. Das also Hitler has gemacht. following already got straight it: Ich not Bush and Hitler compared the persons with one another, but the Methoden.

Financial the Times Deutschland, the supraregional newspaper with the latest editorship conclusion, quoted already on Thursday in detail from our report. In the course of the in the morning also different media (among other things Spiegel Online) took up the topic. Thereupon several CDU and FDP functionaries demanded the resignation of the Federal Secretary of Justice.

In a first press statement the Ministry of Justice called the day sheet report verzerrend. In the afternoon Daeubler Gmelin denied on Stuttgart airport its statements. According to dpa she said: Mir it would do to wrong, even if this affair would throw only one shade on the attention, which I for the American president habe.

On the other hand designated US government spokesmen Ari butcher with a press conference in the white house Daeubler Gmelins of quotations of Wednesday as out rageous (infuriating).

In the evening messages Second Channel of German Television confirmed Bernd Melchert, the chairman of the walter work council and moderator of the Derendinger meeting that the minister had manufactured a connection between Methoden the Bushs and Hitler.

However it also stressed, thus does not want it not the two men to compare (in such a way it was quoted on Thursday also in the DAY SHEET). Also Peter Schuetze, the chairman of the Flender work council, confirmed Tenor of our report on Thursday by telephone den.

Fellow combatants and political opponents of the minister, whom we asked on Thursday, showed up surprised over the expressions quoted in our newspaper. Es slips out sometimes somewhat. That is one not ueberbewerten, found Winfried Kretschmann, which was on Thursday guest in our editorship.

But the boss of the federal state parliament parliamentary group of Baden-Wuerttemberg the Greens stressed also his principle: Jeder comparison one democratic politician with Hitler is degoutant. It should forbid itself for each democrat directly, a democratically selected politician into the proximity too ruecken.

So wies in the sheet, ists gewesen, is obviously not convinced Gerd Weimer, former SPD state parliament delegate was reported and first mayors of Tübingen. Herta Daeubler Gmelin said to him that it concerns a verzerrende Darstellung its, which explained her. From therefore it be unnecessary a contentwise statement.

Daeubler Gmelins constituency Konkurrentin Annette Widmann Mauz (CDU) was not to be achieved on Thursday. Sie does not express itself because the expression for itself was called spricht, it in its office. Peter Wilhelm, Bundestagskandidat of the FDP, judged reservedly. Ich would not like polarize-mix to become. I believe, Mrs. Daeubler Daeubler-Gmelin it in such a way meant, how it stands there: that it is not a new method, with an outside threat of problems relating to domestic affairs abzulenken.

However it is questionable whether the name Hitler would have had to fall. Acts quite over ein strong Stueck, a unglueckliche Aeusserung, which possibly represents a traurigen Hoehepunkt of an anti-Americaism, which like a red thread pulls itself for two weeks by the policy.

Heike Haensel, which stands as a candidate for the Party of Democratic Socialism, considers a comparison of the methods also historical wrong. more Hitler from problems relating to domestic affairs did not divert, but an economic recovery by war preparations inszeniert. you leans such comparisons auch in beginnings in principle ab.

After the chancellor spoke of a deutschen Weg, the peace movement is now in the situation to have to say to the government that they einen anti-American tongue impact hat. One does not need German, but, Haensel demands a civilian way of conflict resolution. It concerns to strengthen the UN internationally opposite the university lateralism of the USA. That is not however durch the two last wars, with those Mrs. Daeubler Daeubler-Gmelin a problem with the US president and the US Rechtssystem, had been prevented.


18 posted on 09/20/2002 3:13:54 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
Aw man, too much German in die Englische...
19 posted on 09/20/2002 3:21:55 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: HAL9000
I was pretty close on the other text though, Schroeder is sticking with his minister's story and sent Bush a non-apology:

(from Reuters) Schroeder wrote to Bush, saying: "I want to let you know how much I regret the fact that alleged comments by the German justice minister have given an impression that has offended you."

He said he had accepted Daeubler-Gmelin's denial and added, according to a German text provided by his office:

"Let me assure you that there is no place at my cabinet table for anyone who makes a connection between the American president and such a criminal."

20 posted on 09/20/2002 3:33:38 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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