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U.S. Sends Message to Iraq Military
Yahoo News ^ | 9/23/02 | Robert Burns

Posted on 09/23/2002 9:51:37 AM PDT by areafiftyone

WASHINGTON (AP) - Worried that a cornered and desperate Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites) might order his military to strike pre-emptively with biological or chemical weapons, the Bush administration is beginning to deliver a stark message to those who would pull the trigger: Save yourselves and disobey his orders.

"The people (to whom) he says, `Go do it,' better think very carefully about whether that's how they want to handle their lives," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told a Senate panel Thursday.

Administration officials have not suggested — publicly, at least — granting amnesty to those in Saddam's military chain of command who refused to carry out orders for a final act of desperation. Rumsfeld in particular has focused on what they have to lose, rather than what they might gain.

"Clearly, people who would use those weapons are not going to have a happy future if, in fact, they do use them," the defense secretary said on PBS' "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer."

Rumsfeld had noted repeatedly that Saddam could not launch such an attack himself. He would have to count on the loyalty of lower-level field commanders and soldiers.

"They would be nominating themselves as part of the regime that ought to get special attention," he told reporters Sept. 16.

Asked about the specific chain of command for Iraq's weapons arsenal, Rumsfeld said he could not talk about it publicly. But he said the final responsibilities are at a level well below the Iraqi leader, and that U.S. officials believe they include people who "aren't very pleased" with Saddam's rule.

"We would have to make very clear to them that what we're concerned about in Iraq is the Saddam Hussein regime," and not the lower-level military officers or the civilian population, Rumsfeld said. "They ought to be very careful about functioning in that chain of command for weapons of mass destruction."

In calculating the risks of a military attack to topple Saddam, the administration is confident it can overwhelm Iraqi forces in relatively short order. But the prospect of encountering a chemical or biological attack either before or during the war presents an entirely different challenge.

Saddam did not use the chemical or biological weapons he had at hand during the 1991 Persian Gulf War ( news - web sites), but those were different circumstances. Saddam could safely assume that the U.S.-led coalition's objective was limited to expelling Iraqi forces from Kuwait. He could live to fight another day.

This time, however, President Bush ( news - web sites) has made plain that Saddam and his regime are the primary target. Thus, officials say it's more likely he would opt to use — or at least order used — internationally banned weapons, such as mustard gas, nerve gas and biological toxins like anthrax or botulinum.

Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was asked Thursday at a Senate Armed Services Committee ( news - web sites) hearing whether Saddam, seeing his regime about to fall, would use weapons of mass destruction.

"You'd have to assume they would be used," but impossible to know for sure, Myers replied.

Thomas D. Grant, a research fellow at England's Oxford University, said the United States must aggressively press what he called a simple message inside Iraq: "After regime change, there shall be no retribution."

That would greatly increase the odds that those upon whom Saddam must rely to carry out an order to use a chemical or biological weapon would refuse, Grant said in a Washington Post opinion piece.

"In Iraq the case for an amnesty pledge, communicated loud and clear, is infinitely stronger than anywhere else in the past," he wrote.

Rumsfeld seems to hold out some hope that Saddam will give up without resorting to an act of national suicide.

"Now, if Saddam Hussein and his family decided that the game was up, and we'll go live in some foreign country like other leaders have done, ... that could happen," as it did with the Shah of Iran and others, the defense secretary said.

But if Saddam stays, he said, there's no telling what he might do when a U.S.-led attack appears imminent.

Asked whether those who now profess complete loyalty to Saddam will stick with him and help launch an attack with a weapon of mass destruction, Rumsfeld replied: "One will not know until one gets to that moment."


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To: The Great Satan; okie01
Somebody in Iraq would then have to e-mail the codes to the terrorists. And doesn't that just raise the same problem of potential disloyalty in those communicators?
21 posted on 09/23/2002 2:59:52 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: okie01
It is conceivable, in fact, that an agent of Saddam, with sufficient cover, might just walk away and make for himself a new life in the land of capitalist plenty.

More than conceivable, when you consider what financial inducements it would make sense for the U.S. government to offer such a person.

22 posted on 09/23/2002 3:01:45 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Somebody in Iraq would then have to e-mail the codes to the terrorists. And doesn't that just raise the same problem of potential disloyalty in those communicators?

No, because they would be members of the Iraqi military, secret police, and/or political leadership.

The scheme could be elaborated for extra security easily enough, e.g. by distributing the "launch codes" among multiple, independent people. You can play with scenarios like that -- say maybe five out of ten people have to send their codes for the whole thing to work, or whatever. But that's probably being too anal about it. I just don't think it's that big a problem. You don't get to be a dictator without solving this kind of carrot/stick problem all the time -- otherwise your own security guards would do you in long before you came to power.

Again, control problems were no obstacle to the acquisition of doomsday deterrents by the US, Russia, China, Britain, France, India, Pakistan and Israel. It only takes about five minutes to figure out "good enough" solutions to the problems involved, once you set your mind to it.

23 posted on 09/23/2002 3:14:02 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: aristeides
"Somebody in Iraq would then have to e-mail the codes to the terrorists."

Unless the controller was already here. And instructed to act on his own initiative under certain circumstances...

The more thought we're applying to the situation, the more likely it seems that many of the risks can be suppressed.

But I just don't think we're necessarily going to be able to eliminate every single one of them. It's conceivable, but we'd best not plan on it, certainly.

24 posted on 09/23/2002 3:15:52 PM PDT by okie01
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To: The Great Satan
Remember how Albert Speer sabotaged Hitler's orders for the destruction of the German economy in the last months of the Third Reich? Speer had a lot of helpers.
25 posted on 09/23/2002 3:22:57 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: okie01
Re your Scenario #3, absent hard evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that last year's anthrax attack was a test case initiated by Atta and his gang, and completed by one or more sleeper agents.
26 posted on 09/23/2002 3:23:35 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: okie01; aristeides; The Great Satan
Hey you guys, why should Saddam go through the trouble
of putting sleepers in the US with secret codes, etc?

All he has to do is hand over his germs to the terrorists
(in some third country)
and they will do the work for him, lots of fun for years to come.

27 posted on 09/23/2002 4:04:01 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Mitchell; keri
RePing
28 posted on 09/23/2002 4:06:30 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
If the terrorists already have the germs and the ability to release them, why should they have waited until now (and probably longer) to do so?
29 posted on 09/23/2002 4:23:55 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Saddam has not given the germs to the terrorists yet.

It's the doomsday scenario. They get the germs after the war starts. (Or shortly before).

30 posted on 09/23/2002 4:40:41 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
That means some lieutenant of Saddam's has to do the giving. And that lieutenant can be deterred from doing so.
31 posted on 09/23/2002 4:43:54 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Nogbad
All he has to do is hand over his germs to the terrorists (in some third country) and they will do the work for him, lots of fun for years to come.

Well, he could do that, too. But the control issues are the same. There has to be a hand-off of control and, ideally, that hand-off has to occur even if Saddam is killed. So there is really no important difference between the two scenarios, except that in one case we get whacked immediately, and in other case we get whacked later (maybe). And, from GWB's standpoint, the calculation is exactly the same. In fact, it's exactly the same even if, in reality, Saddam's bluffing -- even if he has no capability to manufacture powdered anthrax in anything but gramme quantities. We have to assume the worst, because the worst is perfectly plausible.

32 posted on 09/23/2002 5:27:39 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
There is a big difference.

Control-freak Saddam is not going to let any of those germs leave the country
until he knows for sure he is done for.

There are no sleepers now in the USA waiting for secret codes to be sent.

33 posted on 09/23/2002 5:56:05 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
There are no sleepers now in the USA waiting for secret codes to be sent.

BS. We already know he has moved anthrax in-country. Safest place for it. No weapons inspectors will ever find it, here in the USA.

34 posted on 09/23/2002 5:59:49 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan; Mitchell; Shermy; aristeides; Nita Nupress; dogbyte12
Thus, officials say it's more likely he would opt to use — or at least order used — internationally banned weapons, such as mustard gas, nerve gas and biological toxins like anthrax or botulinum.

I can't believe they mentioned anthrax and exile in the same article.

35 posted on 09/23/2002 7:29:35 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
I can't believe they mentioned anthrax and exile in the same article.

Baby steps for the hard-of-thinking.

36 posted on 09/23/2002 9:36:38 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan

37 posted on 09/24/2002 12:26:04 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
Me too!
38 posted on 09/24/2002 12:26:31 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: aristeides
If the weapons are already in the U.S., they are in the hands either of agents of Saddam or of terrorist surrogates. But I think we can exclude the surrogates, as they would already have used them. That leaves agents of Saddam. But what reason would they have to follow orders and actually use the weapons when the time comes?

There is another possibility: They are already in the U.S., but not in the hands of the perps who will use them.

This is the logical equivalent of the "fail safe" mechanism on a nuclear bomb. All that is needed is to pass the necessary information on to the "right" people.

These people (the actual perps) will be extreme Islamists who can be counted on to use them. They will be members of various Islamic extremist groups (Al Qaida is only one of many), and will not even think of themselves as doing Saddam's bidding.

39 posted on 09/24/2002 7:42:03 AM PDT by EternalHope
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