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Fighting Street to Street
The New York Times ^ | 09/27/2002 | NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 09/26/2002 8:59:12 PM PDT by Pokey78

BASRA, Iraq — To understand why an invasion of Iraq may not be the cakewalk that the White House expects, pay $20 (round trip) and board an Iraqi Airways flight that soars from Baghdad straight through the American-enforced "no-flight zone" to Basra on the southern tip of Iraq.

American war planes are authorized to shoot down any aircraft that venture into it, but the Iraqis around me were cool as ice. They knew that U.S. fighters would never attack a civilian aircraft, insha'allah, and that the U.S. military could only bluster.

"Sometimes the American Awacs planes warn us on the radio," explained an Iraqi pilot who was amused at my anxiety. "They say, `You are entering a no-fly zone and must turn around.' We reply, `This is Iraqi air space and we're going to fly through it.' "

That American restraint is Iraq's ace going into war. Iraq knows that the United States cannot bomb schools, mosques and residential neighborhoods, and so it has plenty of places to hide its army. In the last gulf war, we were able to destroy an enemy that was out in the open desert, but this time Iraq seems intent on a different approach.

From Basra I drove to the Kuwait border on the "highway of death," to see how Iraq will guard what may be a principal invasion route for American troops. The only military presence was a few guards on the edge of Basra, amounting to what you'd expect at the entrance to an urban U.S. high school.

So does this mean that Iraq is poorly prepared for an invasion? I don't think so.

Instead of protecting its borders, Iraq will hide its army within its cities, where air strikes are effective only at an unacceptable (for America) cost in civilian deaths. Saddam has a hiding place for himself that is better than Osama bin Laden's caves at Tora Bora: the teeming city of Baghdad, with five million inhabitants, where he already never spends two consecutive nights in the same place.

"The Americans are good at bombing," one Iraqi official mused. "But some day, they will have to come to the ground. And then we'll be waiting. Every Iraqi has a gun in his house, often a Kalashnikov. And every Iraqi has experience in fighting. So let's see how the Americans do when they're fighting in our streets."

That could be a nightmare. As the last gulf war showed, a bombing campaign can knock out bridges and barracks, but unless we're incredibly lucky, we won't kill Saddam, trigger a coup or wipe out his Republican Guard forces. We'll have to hunt out Saddam on the ground — which may be just as hard as finding Osama in Afghanistan, and much bloodier.

Our last experience with street-to-street fighting was confronting untrained thugs in Mogadishu, Somalia. This time we're taking on an army with possible bio- and chemical weapons, 400,000 regular army troops and supposedly seven million more in Al Quds militia.

Karar Hassan, a 22-year-old member of the militia in the city of Najaf, said he had just completed a training session in street fighting, including fighting house to house and even from trees. "I'll fight them till my last drop of blood," he added, in the kind of boast that is heard everywhere in Iraq.

"If someone tries to threaten us, we know how to respond," said a farmer named Hakim al-Khal in the bazaar of Karbala, and then he reached under his shirt and brandished a handgun.

Most Iraqis seem to have no love for Saddam, and the great majority will probably spend the war hiding under their beds. But if even a tiny proportion of the braggarts are serious, then look out. Moreover, some tribes are armed with mortars and large-caliber machine guns, so that even if they could not stop tanks rolling through to Baghdad, they could seriously hurt an American army of occupation.

Perhaps the American invasion will be a breeze after all. The Iraqi army is less than half the strength it was when it crumpled in a 100-hour ground war a decade ago, and U.S. forces are much stronger now. But if we're going to invade, we need to prepare for a worst-case scenario involving street-to-street fighting, with farmers like Mr. Khal taking potshots at our troops.

Is America really prepared for hundreds of casualties, even thousands, in an invasion and subsequent occupation that could last many years?


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EGADS! Tough talk from Iraqi's.

We better not go. </sarcasm>

1 posted on 09/26/2002 8:59:12 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Is America really prepared for hundreds of casualties, even thousands, in an invasion and subsequent occupation that could last many years?

IIRC, they asked this question about Afghanistan.

Yo, NYT: leave the discussion of strategy to the grownups, willya?

2 posted on 09/26/2002 9:03:33 PM PDT by Poohbah
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Gee! Just like Afghanistan!

NYTimes sure doesn't want Saddam out.

3 posted on 09/26/2002 9:04:41 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Pokey78
"...board an Iraqi Airways flight that soars from Baghdad straight through the American-enforced 'no-flight zone'"

Ummm... No thanks!

I mean, hell, there must be *some* reason why it's called a "no-flight zone" right?
4 posted on 09/26/2002 9:05:47 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Pokey78; Orual; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah
God all ******* mighty!

No one in our military ever thought of this stuff, so Eleven-Star Field Marshal Nicholas D. Kristof has condescended to give them advice.

(Multiple expletives deleted).

5 posted on 09/26/2002 9:06:04 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Poohbah
I'm a grownup.

No occupation of cities alone. Make deal with army there.

Maybe a battle in Tikrit.

6 posted on 09/26/2002 9:06:26 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Pokey78
BASRA, Iraq — To understand why an invasion of Iraq may not be the cakewalk that the White House expects.....

Stupid-ass New York Times....when did the White House EVER say invading Iraq would be a cakewalk?

7 posted on 09/26/2002 9:07:13 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Pokey78
"'The Americans are good at bombing,' one Iraqi official mused. 'But some day, they will have to come to the ground. And then we'll be waiting.'"

This is *exactly* what the Talifreaks said. Didn't quite work out that way, though.
8 posted on 09/26/2002 9:09:15 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: dighton; okie01; The Great Satan
Oh, missed that. Kristof. Of "Mr. Z" fame. Maybe Barbara Rosenberg gave him advice on Iraq too. I heard she calls hereself an "expert."

On the other hand, Kristof does have a way of scaring Washington politicos who think he knows something.

Am I wrong, but does the NYTimes regulars sound more and more juvenile of late? Kristof, Friedman, Dowd.

9 posted on 09/26/2002 9:09:30 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Pokey78
Does anyone really think Iraqi Airlines will try to go through the no-fly-zone once the fighting starts?
10 posted on 09/26/2002 9:09:55 PM PDT by philetus
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To: Pokey78
This article is even more amusing than Gore's latest ramblings. If the fact we don't shoot down civilian airliners gives Saddam confidence that we won't take down Iraq, than at least he'll die relaxed. Urban warfare is indeed an intense and difficult scenerio...assuming there are people willing to fight. The last Gulf War gives an indication of the Iraqi will to fight, and that was when the Iraqi army was in relatively good shape. Now it is in tatters, and Saddam is even less popular amongst his people. There will be urban warfare. There will be civilian casualties. But compared to the thousands dying every month by the hands of Saddam's secret police, casualties will be light and much less than if we do nothing.
11 posted on 09/26/2002 9:11:03 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Pokey78
"COOL AS ICE" means that Iraqi civilians know that America plays a hand with humanitarian largess.

When it comes down to invasion, however...expect to see an over-run of photo books by NYT duncils repleat with graphic B/W images of incinerated Iraqi troops in, oh, 2003. They know this, they are sick of Saddam, they will capitulate by the thousands. I say send the media folks in now. In this way, they can record the pathos, the dreams, the hopes of the masses...and a good chance exists that they will be carbonized.
12 posted on 09/26/2002 9:17:27 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Pokey78

That American restraint is Iraq's ace going into war. Iraq knows that the United States cannot bomb schools, mosques and residential neighborhoods, and so it has plenty of places to hide its army. In the last gulf war, we were able to destroy an enemy that was out in the open desert, but this time Iraq seems intent on a different approach.

This will be true only so long as the US population believes that Saddam is only a mild danger to the US, and that the Iraqi people are as much his victims as anyone.

If Saddam demonstrates that he is a threat to the safety of US citizens, and the Iraqi populace show the sort of fanatical support for him that this article suggests, things will be very different.

From Victor Davis Hanson's "Soul of Battle":

[O]n March 9, 1945, a 400-mile-long trail of 334 B-29s left their Marianas bases, 3,500 newly trained airmen crammed in among the napalm. The gigantic planes each carried ten tons of the newly invented jellied gasoline incendiaries. Preliminary pathfinders had seeded flares over Tokyo in the shape of an enormous fiery X to mark the locus of the target. Planes flew over in small groups of three, a minute apart. Most were flying not much over 5,000 feet above Japan. Five-hundred-pound incendiary clusters fell every 50 feet. Within thirty minutes, a 28-mile-per-hour ground wind sent the flames roaring out of control. Temperatures approached 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit. The Americans flew in without guns, and LeMay was not interested in shooting down enemy airplanes/ He instead filled the planes with napalm well over their theoretical maximum loads. He wished to destroy completely the material and psychological capital of the Japanese people, on the brutal theory that once civilians had tasted what their soldiers had done to others, only then might their murderous armies crack. Advocacy for a savage militarism from the rear, he though, might dissipate when one's house was in flames. People would not show up to work to fabricate artillery shells that killed Americans when there was no work to show up to. Soldiers who kill, rape, and torture do so less confidently when their own families are at risk at home.

The planes returned with their undercarriages seared and the smell of human flesh among the crews. Over 80,000 Japanese died outright; 40,918 were injured; 267,171 buildings were destroyed. One million Japanese were homeless. Air currents from the intense heat sent B-29s spiraling thousands of feet upward. Gunners like my father could see the glow of the inferno from as far away as 150 miles as they headed home. The fire lasted four days. My father said he could smell burned flesh for miles on the way back to Tinian. Yet only 42 bombers were damaged, and 14 shot down. No single air attack in the history of conflict had been so devastating.

Unfortunately for the Japanese, the March 9 raid was the beginning, not the end, of LeMay's incendiary campaign. He sensed that his moment - a truly deadly man in charge of a huge democratic force free of government constraint - had at last arrived, as the imperial Japanese command was stunned and helpless. All the old problems - the weather, the enemy fighters, the jet stream, the high-altitude wear on the engines, political limitations on bombing civilians - were now irrelevant. There was to be no public objection to LeMay's burning down the industrial and residential center of the Japanese empire - too many stories about Japanese atrocities toward subjugated peoples and prisoners of war had filtered back to the American people. To a democratic nation in arms, an enemy's unwarranted aggression and murder are everything, the abject savagery of its own retaliatory response apparently nothing.

Suddenly, all of Japan lay defenseless before LeMay's new and unforeseen plan of low-level napalm attack. To paraphrase General Sherman, he had pierced the shell of the Japanese empire and had found it hollow. LeMay had thousands of recruits, deadly new planes, and a blank check to do whatever his bombers could accomplish. Over 10,000 young Americans were now eager to work to exhaustion to inflict even more destruction. Quickly, he upped the frequency of missions, sending his airmen out at the unheard-of rate of 120 hours per month - the Eight Air Force in England had usually flown a maximum of 30 hours per month - as they methodically burned down within ten days Tokyo, Nagoya, Kobe, and Osaka before turning to smaller cities. His ground crews simply unloaded the bombs at the dock and drove them right over to the bombers, without storing them in arms depots. Between 300 and 400 planes roared out almost every other day, their crews in the air 30 hours and more each week. Missions over Japan, including preliminary briefings and later debriefings, often meant 24 consecutive hours of duty. Benzedrine and coffee kept the flyers awake.


13 posted on 09/26/2002 9:18:57 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Shermy
Am I wrong, but does the NYTimes regulars sound more and more juvenile of late? Kristof, Friedman, Dowd.

They're increasingly dull, childish, and stark raving mad.

14 posted on 09/26/2002 9:20:55 PM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton; Orual; aculeus; Poohbah; BlueLancer
Heaven, I'm in heaven
And my heart beats so that I can hardly speak
And I seem to find the happiness I seek
When we're out together
Fighting street to street

Heaven, I'm in heaven,
And the cares that hang around me thro' the week
Seem to vanish like a gambler's lucky streak
When we're out together
Fighting street to street.

15 posted on 09/26/2002 9:24:18 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Pokey78
This NY Times pussy has hedged his bets in five different ways. But this is just what the New York liberalatti like to read as they snuggle up to their over priced morning java.
16 posted on 09/26/2002 9:29:39 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Texas Eagle
"..when did the White House EVER say invading Iraq would be a cakewalk?"

Rove did

17 posted on 09/26/2002 9:34:18 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: SEGUET
You're thinking of Ken Adelman.
18 posted on 09/26/2002 9:34:52 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Pokey78
Remember the President and Rummy stating this will be a war like no others?

The U.S. military will not blow Baghdad, a beautiful city filled with ancient treasures, to smithereens. There will not be door-to door fighting a la Stalingrad.

Saddam's outpost troops will be annhilated, his missile sites destroyed in the first three hours and the oil fields will be occupied. His railroads, highways, bridges and factories are already pinpointed and will be blown to bits. His puny air force will never get off the ground and the skies above Baghdad will be controlled.

Saddam's mighty legions and his Praetorian Guard will sit around the city playing pinochle by candlelight till the bottled water and camel Spam runs out. Agents provocateurs will be working via radio, pamphlets and rewards to undermine morale among the populace and provoke mass defections of Saddam's home defense troops.

At least, that's how I see it, with some variations here and there. Our President and his war advisors had to use daisy cutters in Afghanistan, but will use the stilleto in Baghdad.

It's a whole new world of warfare, and canny adults are now in charge.

Leni

19 posted on 09/26/2002 9:43:07 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Pokey78
"We better not go. </sarcasm>"

Let's anyway - but let's bring lots of water -


But there are some asides of this conflict that will make it even more fun to watch -

Weather in that part of the world - direction of prevailing winds might give us a giggle, rainfall, or lack of it and temperature are also a laugher -

Smart munitions will be amazing as will the gas and microbes which are relevant - so is dispersal and fallout and maybe even nuclear from a little Sadam/Israel trade-off - Hey it only took less than 72 hours for the United States to begin enjoying the fallout from the Chernobyl nuclear disaster - A little Cesium on your lawn will keep the flea population down - now that's going to be amazing to watch on the 6 o'clock weather along with the mold count

One other thing I'm sure we'll find interesting is decontamination without water - from biological and chemical weapons of our troops and equipment - all it takes is water - lots of it and there is none there to speak of - need to mix H20 with some chemicals -

We all know how plentiful that little water resource is even in downtown Baghdad - good R&R at the Hilton - we can carry some extra H2O with us though - give everybody an extra conteen or two -

The cleanup ought to be a ball - our troops, our equipment, their civilians, their infrastructure - don't forget to put out the oil well fires (much less water available than in Kuwait - oops more water needed here -

For this one water is going to be as equally important as diesel fuel and plasma - the really amazing thing is where the hell we get it from - oh I know when the guys are going door jam to door jam in an urban war the can knock and ask to use the shower.

20 posted on 09/26/2002 9:43:28 PM PDT by SEGUET
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