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Two Hispanics Sought In DC Area Killings
World Net Daily ^ | 10/4/02 | World Net Daily

Posted on 10/04/2002 8:29:34 PM PDT by joesnuffy

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To: LibertarianLiz
Great minds . . .

See post 17.
21 posted on 10/04/2002 8:45:10 PM PDT by dpa5923
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To: kcvl
Maybe they Phillipino, Malaysian, or Indonesian.
22 posted on 10/04/2002 8:45:19 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Polycarp
This is a 22 caliber bullet, very small entry hole. Rifles are not high velocity per se, but the ammo is "high velocity" when it is fired through such a rifle.

You could be right however some of the victums were very bloody.

23 posted on 10/04/2002 8:45:57 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: joesnuffy
The Office of Homeland Security is not involved...what's wrong with this picture? I thought this type of thing was the reason for their existence. Aaahhh, I don't believe it anyway...I bet there's a boatload of pizzas being delivered to their offices right about now.
24 posted on 10/04/2002 8:48:33 PM PDT by DC native
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Yea, bet the families of these victims won't be very happy with the delay. Whats he care, he's not the everyday Joe sitting in the crosshairs of the terrorists. In a perfect world he would be.......
25 posted on 10/04/2002 8:48:42 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: tubebender
Exit wounds.
26 posted on 10/04/2002 8:48:44 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: All
They should have just said be on the lookout for non-Anglo, olive-skinned looking fellows. That would have covered all bases.
27 posted on 10/04/2002 8:50:05 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: dead
this seems to be right out of the Al Qaeda playbook, when playing in a largely disarmed arena, like wealthy, east coast, million-mom suburbs. They wouldn't attempt this crap in Texas or the South Bronx.)

You're right. Nobody in the People's Republic of Montgomery has concealed carry; you practically have to be a Secret Service agent to run around armed. In Texas they'd have to be insane to try this sort of thing because the populace would just shoot back. And hit their target, too.

28 posted on 10/04/2002 8:50:35 PM PDT by Capriole
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To: LibertarianLiz
A prediction....

If these turn out to be Islamanazis -- shit will hit the fan..
Muslims will become as tolerated as though burdened with Bubonic plague... The burden of exorcism will become backbreaking for them --- finally.

Semper Fi
29 posted on 10/04/2002 8:50:58 PM PDT by river rat
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To: dpa5923
LOL. I hadn't read down the posts before I posted mine. Afterward, I did and saw that you had the same thought.

I suppose its possible for this to be another Padilla; but I am thinking Islamofacists and if this is a new tactic, we are in trouble.

30 posted on 10/04/2002 8:51:15 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: kcvl
Keep in mind that Mohamed Hadayet, the Egyptian who shot up the El Al counter at LAX, was initially described by police and the FBI as "Hispanic".
31 posted on 10/04/2002 8:52:16 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: joesnuffy
Police in the Washington suburb where five people were gunned down in two days are looking for two "Hispanic" men in the fatal shootings, according to a police bulletin that federal authorities shared with WorldNetDaily.

It would be most unusual for them to share this with an internet site. Particularly this one.

32 posted on 10/04/2002 8:53:13 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"Two Hispanics Sought In DC Area Killings"

Ooops! Racial profiling?

;)

Bet ya it's a disenchanted ex-Marine. They are well trained in sniper shooting.

33 posted on 10/04/2002 8:54:48 PM PDT by nmh
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To: StormEye
"It's possible," he added, that the suspects could be Middle Eastern."

Hey, they were just medical students making a harmless joke.

34 posted on 10/04/2002 8:59:29 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: joesnuffy
The Democrats will be devastated if they can't pin this on white boy NRA "extremists".
35 posted on 10/04/2002 9:01:00 PM PDT by montag813
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To: joesnuffy
Kind of interesting to me that the libs have NOT been screaming to high heaven about those evil 2nd amendment gun nut right wing extremists. Not this time around....
36 posted on 10/04/2002 9:06:57 PM PDT by Humidston
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When a bullet is submitted for comparison to a firearm, one of the first examinations conducted will be to determine the bullet's caliber.

Caliber is a term used to indicate the diameter of a bullet in hundredths of an inch.  A bullet that is 30 hundredths of an inch (.30) in diameter is called a 30 caliber bullet. The term caliber is of English origin and is used by ammunition and firearm manufacturers in the United States. Firearms and ammunition of European origin use the metric system and would refer to a 30 caliber bullet as an 7.62mm bullet. 

The caliber of the bullet is just the first class characteristic that must agree with the questioned firearm.  The bullet must also be of the type found in cartridges that the firearm will fire.  A cartridge is a single unit of ammunition consisting of the cartridge case, primer, and propellant with or without one or more projectiles.  The image below shows these various components.

Cartridges are usually given a name or cartridge designation by their developer, who is more often than not the manufacturer of a firearm (It doesn't make much sense to develop a cartridge if you don't have a firearm to fire it in).  The cartridge designation typically includes a numerical value to indicate the approximate diameter of the bullet and will often include the manufacturer's name.

It never fails that when a cartridge is developed the manufacturer or others will immediately try to improve on the design.  Variations to the original cartridge are usually inevitable and may be in the form of a longer or shorter case, differences in gunpowder, or differences with the weight and type of bullet contained in the cartridge.  

When a variation in the cartridge case length occurs the cartridge's name may include the term Short, Long, or Magnum to denote the difference.  Examples of which are the 32 S&W and the 32 S&W LONG cartridges seen below.  SMITH & WESSON developed both of these cartridges for use in their 32 caliber revolvers.  As you can see, the 32 S&W Long cartridge on the right has the longest cartridge case.  

Long or magnum cartridges may also have a heavier bullet when compared to the standard or short versions.  The 32 S&W cartridge above contains an 88 grain bullet and the LONG version contains a 98 grain bullet.  

Other variations can occur in the bullet weight and bullet construction within the same cartridge designation.  All of the cartridges seen on the right are in the 22 caliber "family" yet each has a different cartridge designation. From the left they are: 22 Blank, 22 Short, 22 Long, 22 Long Rifle Shot, 22 Viper, 22 Long Rifle, 22 Stinger, 22 Magnum, and 22 Maximum.

Cartridges designed for use in auto loading pistols will usually have the word AUTO in their cartridge designation (i.e. 32 AUTO, 45 AUTO).  Cartridges can also carry a +P designation that stands for plus powerCartridges with the +P designation usually have no external differences from the lower powered varieties but contain different types of gunpowder to achieve higher velocities.

Measuring the bullet's diameter, weighing the bullet, and examining the physical characteristics of the bullet help firearm examiners to arrive at a basic caliber for the submitted bullet.  Firearm examiners also can compare the questioned bullet to known reference standards.  Most firearms sections maintain an ammunition reference collection and manufacturers catalogs that can be used as reference material in determining a bullet's caliber.

Sounds simple doesn't it?  Well.... not so fast!

It's one thing to look at the bullet above (looking down on the bullet with a mirror in the back showing the bullet's profile) and to say "that's a Federal 9mm Hyda-Shok bullet," when more than likely you've got a bullet from the victim like the one on the right.  Is the bullet from a 9mm LUGER, a 38 SPECIAL, a 380 AUTO, or a 357 MAGNUM cartridge?  You get the idea.  Sometimes firearm examiners can be very specific but there are times when we just can't narrow things down to one particular caliber or cartridge.

To further confuse the issue, firearms are normally designed to fire a specific type of cartridge.  However, some firearms chambered to fire one cartridge can also fire another.  One of the most common examples is that a revolver chambered for 357 MAGNUM cartridges can also fire a 38 SPECIAL cartridge.  However, a firearm chambered for 38 SPECIAL cartridges cannot fire 357 MAGNUM cartridges.  This must be considered in examining the submitted bullet.  You do not want to automatically eliminate a bullet based on its caliber until you determine the varieties that may be fired in the questioned firearm.

If the caliber of the bullet submitted for examination matches the caliber of the submitted firearm or if we just aren't sure of the bullet's caliber, the firearm examiner will look for additional class characteristics in the form of rifling to further narrow their search. 


37 posted on 10/04/2002 9:10:04 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: wimpycat
>They should have just said be on the lookout for nonAnglo, olive-skinned looking fellows.
>That would have covered all bases.

I believe the one-word description would be "Swarthy".
38 posted on 10/04/2002 9:13:00 PM PDT by Maximum Leader
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To: wimpycat
Thanks a lot, Wimpycat... now they'll be at MY door... ;0)
39 posted on 10/04/2002 9:14:31 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: joesnuffy
"It's possible," he added, that the suspects could be Middle Eastern.

The article's written to give us the impression the source is eyewitness descriptions. Why do I think the source is a security videotape?

40 posted on 10/04/2002 9:15:53 PM PDT by aristeides
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