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It isn't nonsense. I have worked among Muslims. I have educated Muslim friends who respect me as I respect them -- and they understand that I am a devout Christian. I have traveled in Muslim countries and met the educated class who very much want to adopt the positive things from modern culture, but want to avoid the degenerate aspects. I have met Muslims who have said they look to religious Americans to show them how to do that.

These people have been dealing with horror from the Islamists a lot longer than we have. They refer to them as "those people." But they don't want their children swallowed up by the degeneracy they see in Western media.

I have traveled in Muslim countries and met the educated class who very much want to adopt the positive things from modern culture, but want to avoid the degenerate aspects.

Gee, that's too bad. If they'd taken effective steps to clean their house, rather than wait for us to have to clean it for them, they would have been in a position to influence their culture's development.

Tell them to look for the tradition of al-Ghazzali in Islam, instead of the tradition of Ibn Taymiya. A powerful side by side comparison is Ghazzali on happiness vs. Taymiya on the difference between followers of "the Merciful" and followers of the devil. The former is recognizably religion and piety. The latter is recognizably ideological politics and bigotry.

With followers of Ghazzali the modern west could have a conversation, a civilized one, in which both sides would have something to say. With followers of Taymiya that is not possible; only war is possible. When they themselves learned the better parts of their own historical traditions and reject the evil parts, clean house within their own civilization, and read the Taymiya fanatics out of Islam as dangerous heretics and evil men, then we can indeed have a discussion about piety, morality, modernity, secularism, skepticism, etc. The Taymiya types are not interested in such a conversation. They just want to kill us, plain and simple.

These people have been dealing with horror from the Islamists a lot longer than we have.

Then that excuses them even less. Because they've acquiesced to control by "those people," we must pay the price?

They're too cowardly to clean their own house and look to religious Americans to find their answer for them?

There's something in this "religion" that deadens the soul and the spirit. It's a "religion" established by wolves to lure sheep.

It's a con artist's, huckster's, grifter's dream come true.

Spit's too good to waste on it.

...and met the educated class who very much want to adopt the positive things from modern culture, but want to avoid the degenerate aspects.

This is your gravest mistake, your ladyship. The most virulent Islamism is flourishing exactly among the so called educated classes.

Was there at least one ignorant - and poor - fellah among the 9/11 hijackers? Same is the picture among those Islamics who run the racket of murder and incitement to murder.

As to the so called "degenerate aspects", in your initial reply to the post you mentioned Western gays as especially annoying factor to the Musli... LOL! One would hardly find a virgin male ass through all the lands of Dar-el-Islam. Learn to distinguish the ordinary Muslim hypocrisy, and get a better look at those of them who pretend "to respect you as you respect them".